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  •  All we have is hand guns right now. /nt (1+ / 0-)
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    Thank your stars you're not that way/Turn your back and walk away/Don't even pause and ask them why/Turn around and say 'goodbye'/Just wish them well.....

    by Purple Priestess on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 10:46:14 PM PST

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    •  You NEED a rifle for coyotes. (10+ / 0-)

      Getting a coyote with a handgun is a difficult feat.
      You generally won't get close enough to a coyote to hit it with a handgun.
      .223, .30-06,.25-06,.308, 220 swift---a rifle with a long range, fast caliber.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 10:49:33 PM PST

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      •  I suspect (2+ / 0-)
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        that by the end of the week, we will own a good rifle. Thanks for your advice :)

        Thank your stars you're not that way/Turn your back and walk away/Don't even pause and ask them why/Turn around and say 'goodbye'/Just wish them well.....

        by Purple Priestess on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 10:54:39 PM PST

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        •  Way, way too big for your needs. (4+ / 0-)

          Those are good for deer. All you need for varmits like coyotes is a good used 22. Anything more may be gun fetish, imho.

          “I’m able to fly, do what I want, essentially. I guess that’s what freedom is — no limits.” Marybeth Onyeukwu -- Brooklyn DREAMer.

          by chuco35 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 10:58:27 PM PST

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          •  Well, I guess (1+ / 0-)
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            Hubby will look into it. He never buys anything withour doing research.

            Thank your stars you're not that way/Turn your back and walk away/Don't even pause and ask them why/Turn around and say 'goodbye'/Just wish them well.....

            by Purple Priestess on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 10:59:30 PM PST

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          •  You won't get a clean kill with a .22 (11+ / 0-)

            If you don't like the idea of animals suffering, then use enough rifle.
            Besides...I thought you preferred a 30-30....all of those calibers are smaller or the same basic size as a 30-30.
            Are you forgetting your 'manly' story already?

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 11:06:08 PM PST

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            •  Hubby agrees (4+ / 0-)

              He thinks he will get a 30.06

              Thank your stars you're not that way/Turn your back and walk away/Don't even pause and ask them why/Turn around and say 'goodbye'/Just wish them well.....

              by Purple Priestess on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 11:10:49 PM PST

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            •  I prefer a 30-30 because it's an old Winchester (2+ / 0-)
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              short barreled deer hunting brush rifle handed down by my grandfather. But I did plenty of hunting as a youth and was deadly with my single shot 22 short. Priestess is only looking to kill varmits. A well placed 22 bullet will cleanly do the trick without the added expense of the rifles and ammunition you cite.

              “I’m able to fly, do what I want, essentially. I guess that’s what freedom is — no limits.” Marybeth Onyeukwu -- Brooklyn DREAMer.

              by chuco35 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 11:15:35 PM PST

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              •  A .22 isn't enough rifle. (8+ / 0-)

                Coyotes are tough, small targets, skittish and have a tendency to bolt.
                Anything short of a headshot within 50 yds with a .22 is likely to not kill it clean.

                Quite frankly, I don't think a .22 is a humane cartridge to use for any animal bigger than a rabbit. Too many 'uh-ohs' can happen, and its not enough rifle to make up for them.

                Not everyone is an eagle-eyed, dead shot, coyote hunting extraordinaire that can hit running targets from the back of moving pickups with .22 shorts.

                We mere mortals (especially those that are looking to buy their first rifle) have to take into account that ranges can be over 50 yds, and gut-shots may happen. A 30-06 can cover both these scenarios, quickly and humanely. A .22 cannot.

                Either you have enough rifle to put them down quick, or you let the animal suffer.

                Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                by FrankRose on Sun Jan 06, 2013 at 11:54:00 PM PST

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                •  I wouldn't hunt rabbit with .22 short these days. (3+ / 0-)

                  They're basically for quiet target practice.

                  That rainbow to the target is the last thing you want for moving game, particularly if you're an occasional shooter trying to protect livestock at night.

                  There's a lot of room between .22 short and .30-06, but overall you're right and I'm wrong.

                  .22 WMR would be plenty for 50-75 yard day time hunting by someone moderately experienced.  

                  Then I think - if it was my livestock at night I probably wouldn't be as willing to pass on a shot if it was less than perfect.

                  I don't know about .30-06 (easy to get a hold of, overpowered as hell)... but at least .22-250.  

                  "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

                  by JesseCW on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 04:39:36 AM PST

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                  •  A 22-250 is one of the best coyote round (3+ / 0-)
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                    there is.  But you have to worry about shot out barrels on a used rifle (if you can find one) with a round that is that streaking fast.
                    You're right about it being generally too big for coyote, but they aren't looking to keep the pelt.
                    I think they would make a great choice with a  30-06. They've been so popular for so long they have a lot of different rifles to choose from, its so adaptable that if they so decide, they can take any game smaller than Moose, recoil is very manageable, etc.
                    But, like you said, almost any centerfire designed in the past century will do about the same job and have the same range when it comes to coyote.
                    All that said, their choice should probably focus more on the rifle than the caliber (if they don't plan on using it for more than coyote).

                    Sure is fun talking calibers isn't it? ;)

                    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                    by FrankRose on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 05:38:45 AM PST

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                •  Bolting means the human has won in this case. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Purple Priestess

                  Diarist is protecting livestock.

                  Hunting would be different, though the need for a humane kill would be the same.

      •  My coyotes come up close, by the barn (7+ / 0-)

        I could hit them with a .357 if I had time to go get it when they appear yammering - and if it weren't always dark then.  It's wooded here outside my pasture areas.

        My fences are rewire mesh, which helps, but the real protection for my sheep is my mule, who is open-minded about membership in his herd, and who sees his social role as herd guardian.  He'll just drive a predator away if that is enough, but will do more if necessary.

        He's careful not to hurt small creatures, including people, and very protective.  He even seems to like having chickens running around his feet, and the Dark Cornish I have now are sticking pretty close to him so far.  

        You do have to introduce a mule or large donkey to their charges, ideally a week in large adjoining stalls, before turning them loose together.  And even an affectionate mule is apt to not be submissive, even as much as a horse is, and is apt to amuse himself making up games to play with you, whether you had play in mind then or not.  Mine also insists on inspecting new lambs, carefully, though the ewes still object.

      •  .22 mag will do the job. (1+ / 0-)
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        Purple Priestess

        I know people who take Coyote with .17 hmr....but it's all about head shots.

        "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

        by JesseCW on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 04:15:04 AM PST

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      •  Is being in the back yard close enough? (1+ / 0-)
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        Purple Priestess

        I live in a suburb of 1/4 acre lots. One neighbor has watched a coyote carry off their dog. Another found their cat's leg in the yard.

        That said, getting anything with a handgun takes some practice.

    •  Handguns kill a lot more people than coyotes (2+ / 0-)
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      bontemps2012, Purple Priestess

      or that's my bet.

      They certainly kill more than any scary black guns by orders of magnitude.

      How big is your personal carbon footprint?

      by ban nock on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 07:00:32 AM PST

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