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  •  Thing is, the larger the caliber (1+ / 0-)
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    then the more humane the kill. For a large man, a 30/.06 is a typical limit for comfortable shooting. It will kill almost anything asap with one reasonably placed shot.

    Smaller calibers produce more woundings, more suffering. And tracking down a wounded animal can get dangerous.

    A bolt-action weapon pretty much makes you re-aim for every shot. Safer. Better for accuracy. More humane where killing is necessary for management.

    The Bushmaster style weapons encourage bad shooting. Badly placed shots with the .223 are going to leave the animal in agony. A crippled limb will get infected, take a month for it to die.

    And statistically the "home defense" weapons get used for suicides. 15,000 a year. That's versus fewer than 1,000 justifiable homicides, of which 400 are by police.

    Major Depression strikes without much warning. Situational Depression strikes as well. Add these "home defense" weapons to the mix and you get needless deaths -- way more than heroic defenses of homesteads.

    And you might take a look at the Puli for a dog. Great sheep dog and half the size of the big ones, calmer than the Australians. Lives a long time. Funny looking, too. You'd want a clipper to keep hair under control.

    Best to all --

    "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

    by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 07:54:48 AM PST

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    •  Two dogs are more than twice as effective (2+ / 0-)
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      They understand teamwork. If you can afford them, they will deter any rationally deterrable nuisance wildlife.

      •  Yes. But as you mention (1+ / 0-)
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        the expense for two dogs runs to more per year than buying a used .270. The dogs work 24/7/365 and that's better than we're going to do as guardians.

        There's a flood of old guns in this country. They go cheap.

        "We have done nothing to be ashamed of. We have nothing to apologize for." NRA 12/14/2012

        by bontemps2012 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:06:42 AM PST

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    •  30-06s have a huge varity of factory loads (0+ / 0-)

      and that doesn't even count hand-loading. There are plenty of 'soft' loads for very low recoil....but seeing as she has already can handle a .357 handgun, I don't think she will need to worry too much about the recoil for any appropriate load.

      I couldnt possibly disagree with you more about your assessment of 'Bushmaster-style weapons', including your chosen nomenclature (it is quite accurate, a .223 is plenty big enough for coyote & a quick follow up shot is better to ensure putting them down quickly, if hit in a less-vital area), but as this is a subject that can devolve into a pie-fight I will leave it there.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 08:40:31 AM PST

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