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  •  In other words (2+ / 0-)
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    forget the Deep South (GA, AL, MS, AR, LA) and focus on the Rocky Mountain states, perhaps save Utah. Even WY can be focused on (fun fact: Kerry actually won Cheney's home county in WY .. Teton).

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    by TLS66 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 06:38:17 AM PST

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    •  Georgia has similar trends.... (8+ / 0-)

      ....to North Carolina and Virginia in that it has a lot of non-southern whites moving there. It's not enough to tip the state to the Democrats, but Obama did do fairly well, on the basis of liberal-to-moderate whites, a growing Latino population, and a large black population.

      •  Yes as Atlanta and its suburbs grow and there (5+ / 0-)

        are more transplants from the northeast and other regions moving there following college for jobs. the area becomes more and more diverse. And there are some blue counties and districts in Atlanta and in the suburbs. My sister lives in a very blue suburb northeast of Atlanta. As this regions grows ....I think Atlanta can gradually turn the state blue . But it is has to increase in size to overcome the south and central regions of GA which are deep red.

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        by wishingwell on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 08:07:23 AM PST

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      •  not just northern whites (1+ / 0-)
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        there are a significant number of northern and west coast blacks moving to states like GA and NC.

    •  "Deep South" is an obsolete concept. (4+ / 0-)
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      Once upon a time, the South could be divided into the Deep South and the Upper South, with the latter being more progressive than the former.  For instance, the two Senators from Tennessee, then an Upper South state, did not sing onto the anti-civil rights Southern Manifesto.

      That old division has gone away.  Now, it's all about the Atlantic South vs. the Interior South.  The states that have a coast on the Atlantic are much less red than those that do not.  Virginia and Florida are pretty dependable blue states, while Tennessee might as well be Alabama when it comes to national politics.  South Carolina used to be one of the most Republican states in the country.  In 2012, Obama scored a higher % of the vote there than in any Interior South state.

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      by joe from Lowell on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:00:38 AM PST

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    •  No. Don't write off any state. (1+ / 0-)
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      I know it's frustrating, but we have to take this fight to their heartland. Even in the reddest state there are some Dems. And where you have an influx like Georgia and Texas, making a presence, showing the colors, is crucial to eventually flipping these states.
      I don't remember if it was Howard Dean that said after the most recent election that what we need is a "10000 precinct strategy", a finer grain version of his 50 state strategy.
      The phrase that I hear is Full Court Press.
      A lot of local officials run unopposed. That should never be. Even a symbolic run is better than leaving these pr!cks unopposed. For one thing it forces the GOP to spend money on every race. Even someone who registers as a candidate in one of these races and does nothing else, spends no money, does no campaigning, still draws energy away from the GOP.
      It also encourages the (sometimes vanishingly small) Democratic minority, energizes the local Ds, gives them a rally point. And with the changing demographics and the escalating crazy on the GOP side, it could turn out to be a real surprise.
      And if the Dems can increase their presence enough in the local elections, we may be in a position to fix the Gerrymanders, hence, fix the national problem.
      I hear from Texans that their state is a few cycles away from going blue! I've heard the same from Georgians. North Carolina is on the knife edge. A concerted effort by local Dems backed by a comprehensive national campaign could be the stimulus needed to flip.
      A place like Arizona, that has gone full tilt crazy is also a target worth aiming at in the long run. I can't imagine that the GOP madness is 100% in that state. And I know, it takes 50% +1, but with 30% + a sustained media campaign, it could serve to sober up the swing voters, the less committed, the ones that still have a conscience and a shred of sanity.
      So don't cede any ground!

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:42:50 PM PST

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      •  Yes yes yes (0+ / 0-)

        We are not the party of rigid ideology, I am fully open to all Blue Dog conservadems who can win seats in "red" areas, from dog catcher to Senate.  Not to say that liberals shouldn't run, but anyone on the ballot is better than no one.

        While that infrastructure is building, I think we should have Democrats run in every House race in 2014.  Pro-gun, anti-choice, anti-gay, corporate apologist, whatever.  The only issue I care about in a Congressional candidate in a red district is whether they will vote for a Speaker Pelosi.

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 04:46:55 PM PST

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