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  •  When I've mentioned this (11+ / 0-)

    coming from a US source the premise was roundly dissed here at DailyKos.

    But I suppose it will be much better received when published in a German source, considering how much wiser and smarter and everything that German are.

    Although it seems to be exactly the same author . . . .

    •   Roadbed Guy...Time didn't cover it. Spiegel did! (11+ / 0-)

      That was the point of the diary. Oh by the way I wonder
      why didn't Time cover this inconvenient truth? Maybe it's because they didn't want to wizzzz off their advertisers!
      The same advertisers who are de-industrialized America! (smile)

      sig...You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]

      by Democrats Ramshield on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:50:00 AM PST

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      •  You didn't read the link did you? (2+ / 0-)
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        I suppose that's my fault for not giving more information - the link is to an article in The Atlantic Monthly by the same author with the same title.

        By maybe that's all just a coincidence.

      •  I should point out that I agree that lower (0+ / 0-)

        and working class men have it rather tough in this country.

        It's just that that's apparently not something to be talked about at a "progressive" website where the Received Wisdom has it that women are still heavily oppressed in favor of men.  Or, if that's too strongly worded, I've been told in no uncertain terms that the premise of this author about the plight of American mena has been "thoroughly debunked"

        •  I wouldn't say debunked, or at least I haven't (7+ / 0-)

          seen that- but it remains a fact, its that math thing again, that women get paid less for the same exact work. It's just a fact that I wish more guys could grasp. If they could, there would be a whole lot more compassion for where men in this country are at now, which is VERY valid.

          But I am not seeing the RISE of women here, as much as I am seeing the big corporations taking advantage of the fact that women HAVE worked for less money, doing the same jobs, and that is being taken advantage of.

          LEt's make this very clear. WOMEN ARE NOT GETTING AHEAD. MEN ARE FALLING BEHIND.  IT's not the same thing, and it's not O.K.  We can't afford to be fighting over it, we need to keep in sight WHO is responsible for this, and keep the blame squarely pointed in THAT direction. i.e. Wall Street, Cause won't they sit back and laugh if we drink this kool-aid, and start quarreling amongst ourselves.

          •  To Azubia - Well said (1+ / 0-)
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            sig...You just ran into a hardcore progressive who's just another working stiff with an MBA degree & therefore a vociferous labor union supporter [smile]

            by Democrats Ramshield on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:13:40 AM PST

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            •  Thanks. Call me slow, but how can one look at the (3+ / 0-)
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              laws that are being created daily in this country to take women's control of their own bodies away, to redefine what rape is, to let a woman die on an operating room floor rather than have an abortion, to do a forced vaginal ultrasound, say that we are getting ahead? These laws are being created by the shills of the THE SAME RICH MEN WHO OWN THE COMPANIES WE WORK FOR, for less money. If this is getting ahead, I am not impressed.  I can't see  what it all means, which situation caused what, in what order, but as the soul source of income for my own family, (he can't get work) my instincts are telling me proceed with caution.

              I hope that anytown U.S.A doesn't turn into Juarez Mexico.

              Men and women really need to work together on this, or we are all puppets of the rich.

          •  yes, what do you think the attacks on teachers (0+ / 0-)

            are all about. Most teachers are women; most administrators are men, and despite some weak efforts to reign in principal power in some places, most reform efforts empower principals ( management ) to an even greater degree.

          •  Just who is being "rigid and inflexible"-- (0+ / 0-)

            the men who have been losing their jobs in manufacturing, or the bankers and industrialists who've decided we no longer need to manufacture and therefore don't need to provide jobs?

            And who benefits most by pitting "failed" men against "flexible" women willing to settle for less?

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