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    In order to be a non-believer, you need to know what it is that you don't believe in.
    Wow - what a stupid statement.  So could it start with,

    "I don't believe in 2 foot tall gremlins who live in the center of the planet Pluto."

    "I don't believe that there are a hundred billion Hitler clones who are immune to heat and live on an island a mile from the sun."

    "I don't believe that Casper the ghost is real."

    And I have to continue to list a quadrillion things I don't believe in, not come close to finishing before I die - and then what?

    Preparing for the Mayan doomsday prophecy by hastily trying to get in the good graces of snake-bird god Q’uq’umatz

    by dov12348 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 09:34:42 AM PST

    •  re "Wow - what a stupid statement" (3+ / 0-)

      Might I introduce you to the  Courtesy Kos group.

      Republicans: if they only had a heart.

      by leu2500 on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:08:51 AM PST

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      •  In defense of the prior comment (1+ / 0-)
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        To lead off a diary with "In order to be a non-believer, you need to know what it is that you don't believe in" is pretty provocative, and doesn't feel courteous to me. I agree with dov12348, it's a throw away statement, and designed to establish moral superiority.

        •  How About Context? (0+ / 0-)
          Originally, I told enlightened friends that in order to be a non-believer, you need to know what it is that you don't believe in.  I'm not sure my underlying faith has changed much, but church gives me interesting things to think about.
          It seems to me that the diarist is being pretty open about a 12-year experience/journey. The gremlins and Hitler clones are non sequiturs. The commenter should know the diarist is speaking of becoming familiar to some degree with the tenets of various religions. They even offer college courses in that sort of thing. ya know.

          "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything even remotely true." -- H. Simpson

          by midnight lurker on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 06:10:48 PM PST

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        •  Apologies (0+ / 0-)

          I posted a question, not an assertion.  As mentioned in main response, I normally describe myself as an atheist.  Many have challenged that I can't be an atheist if I go to church, and that's usually my response.

          Atheism has been debated among philosophers for millenia.  It's a lot more complicated than whether one identifies with a religious group or not.

          All of this is off-topic of course.  But it's worth noting the irony of establishing orthodoxy in atheism.  It almost seems to reflect the position of other religious zealots:  It doesn't matter what you believe as long as you don't think about it.

    •  Thanks for your response... (0+ / 0-)

      Thanks for your response, but it seems off-topic unless your point is to underscore my observation about one dimensional thinking.

      The subtle difference between not believing in God and not believing in Casper the ghost:   Everyone agrees what Casper the Ghost is.  But to say, "I don't believe in God" begs the question:  What is it exactly you don't believe in?

      I'd probably describe myself as an atheist.  But consider the following definition:  God is what faithful people believe in.  Using that perfectly appropriate definition, it's fairly easy for me to prove the existence of God.

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