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  •  no its really not (4+ / 0-)
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    everything that we hate now was done back then, but more by a factor of 100.

    •  Excuse me, but (2+ / 0-)
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      Is that the new math?

      Wrong divided by 100 = right?

      Back in the day, there was a saying that a lot of the, well, I guess you would call them pro-war guys, would quote:  "My country, right or wrong."  They'd always blink a couple of times when I finished that quote:  "If right, to be kept right; if wrong, to be made right."  There's a lot of things that Obama is doing that I don't approve of -- and if Bush did them too, I don't really care.

      The reason I am so disappointed in Obama is that he promised us "Change you can believe in."  So far, I'm not seeing it.

      I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country. -- Thomas Jefferson

      by nilajean on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:52:34 AM PST

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      •  Executing Jose Padilla (1+ / 0-)
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        would have been a more humane treatment than what was done to him. Seriously.

        and "...if wrong, to be made right"  I like that.

        There are very few subjects which do not interest or fascinate me.

        by NYFM on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 10:59:11 AM PST

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        •  OBAMA. DIDN'T. DO. ANYTHING. (3+ / 0-)
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          Padilla was abused by the previous administration, not this one.

          Jesus jumped up Christ on a cracker with brie.

          We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

          by raptavio on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:19:23 AM PST

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          •  He did some things (0+ / 0-)

            Although not in the Padilla case.  I think the point is that Obama is not nearly sensitive enough to the very real civil liberties issues his policies implicate.

            But I adore the metaphor at the end!

            Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

            by Mindful Nature on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 12:12:49 PM PST

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            •  "He did some things." (1+ / 0-)
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              OK. Step back to the beginning of the thread where this guy said this WND douche calling for revolution had a point. Do the "some things" Obama did remotely justify said WND douche's call for armed revolution in your eyes?

              We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

              by raptavio on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 12:48:23 PM PST

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              •  The point is not supporting armed revolution (1+ / 0-)
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                which I do not support here. But I do support harsh criticism for how our government has been operating, not only since the Patriot act, but the ridiculous resolution to the blatantly stolen election of 2000.  It was sickening that most Americans thought it was no big deal. At least not important enough anyway to get up off their complacent duffs and protest it vociferously and with passion.

                There are very few subjects which do not interest or fascinate me.

                by NYFM on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 01:34:28 PM PST

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                •  That's all well and good. (0+ / 0-)

                  But this is a diary about a cretin from WingNutDaily calling for an armed insurrection against the government of the United States, and in particular, president Obama.

                  And you expressed sympathy for said cretin's point of view.

                  Do you understand why people might be giving you the hairy eyeball about this?

                  Please note: "Obama" is not spelled B-U-S-H.

                  We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                  by raptavio on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 02:17:56 PM PST

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              •  Two points (o.k., I lied. Three points) (0+ / 0-)

                First, I'm giving you the secret Don Quixote handshake!

                Second, I hadn't read it to mean that the call for revolution is right, I think in part because that seems so absurd that it couldn't be what he meant.  

                I read it rather to be an expression of the "stopped clock" theory, that even a nutcase dingbat can have some kernels of reality buried deep under the layers of rantings.

                Here, I take it to mean that the Obama admiinstrations rather cavalier attitude toward civil liberties has given fodder for this sort of thing.

                I suppose as a third point, I don't think any of us are under any illusion that if Obama had done everythign perfectly  this guy would be happy and go on his way whistling merrily.  All Obama had to do is beat his guy or block his view of the proper universe.

                Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

                by Mindful Nature on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 02:09:04 PM PST

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                •  I have a hard time (2+ / 0-)
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                  agreeing that this President's attitude towards civil liberties is 'cavalier.'

                  He stopped torture. Period.

                  He tried to close Guantanamo, but was blocked.

                  He has targeted and killed US Citizens who were acting as enemy combatants in theatres of combat (Al-Awlaki) but has NOT imprisoned anyone, citizen or otherwise, on US sovereign soil without due process.

                  Etc.

                  Regardless, certainly a diary about a dangerously seditious wingnut is not the right place to be discussing the  "stopped clock" merits of his argument, wouldn't you say?

                  We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                  by raptavio on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 02:21:33 PM PST

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      •  didn't say right (1+ / 0-)
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        but it's not "in many ways worse"

        it happened more often back then, with less legal and moral protections and no constitutional rights, oh yea, and way more hangings in the public square.

        •  In terms of surveillance it certainly is (0+ / 0-)

          The breadth and depth of surveillance these days is incredible.  In regards to mass imprisonment as well.  We've got a turn-key fascism situation and no one is fixing it.

          But, certainly not at all in the way that these guys are talking about, and I agree that this sort of thing is a stupid distraction.  The White Wing has been saying shit like this for as long as I've been politically aware.  This is just an attention getting device.

          The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 11:21:58 AM PST

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          •  This is the real issue (3+ / 0-)

            This, right here:

            We've got a turn-key fascism situation and no one is fixing it.
            One point that people always seem to miss is this.  

            1) if you look at the nuts and bolts of a dictatorship (pick one), there are several very common tools used to oppress.

            2) among these are the ability to spy on citizens, the ability to arrest or kill individuals without check or balance, and the ability to stymie any recourse, for example, through the courts.

            3) These three put together add up to the kind of arbitrary power that can be used to keep the opposition from power.

            4) we have each of these elements enacted into US law to varying degrees.

            5) "Trust us" is not a defense, because at some point someone untrustworthy will be elected to the White House.  We are faced with a radical party that would crash the US economy to win an election and power. Do you really trust people who would do that to simply decline to use these powers to harrass and undermine the opposition?  What if they feel they are "called by God" and so don't value democracy particularly?

            Some legal powers are too dangerous to be left lying around.  We're potentially playing with fire here.

            (I say potentially, because I don't think we are at a point where this is a done deal, but if you don't change direction, you are likely to end up where you are headed.)

            Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

            by Mindful Nature on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 02:15:34 PM PST

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