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  •  Well I can't argue that we should (0+ / 0-)

    have campaign finance reform. I am a big proponent of that.

    But your boy Chuck Hagel is not. He voted against McCain-Feingold. Interesting you would support him even though he stands against the thing you seem to be most railing on about - money influencing politics.

    Do the victims of 9/11 or vets. from Iraq have as big a voice as Saban, or Adelson... Nope. Of course they don't have as a big a voice as Big Oil, Big Pharma, the Koch Brothers, Bill Gates, the Saudi Royal Family or any of thousands of other people or companies. That is one of the dysfunctional aspects of our government. That you would only focus on two Jewish Billionaires is kinda telling don't you think?

    I wonder why that is?

    "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

    by volleyboy1 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 07:14:17 PM PST

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    •  Actually I focused on two billionaires who (1+ / 0-)
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      have dumped enormous amounts of money into politics.  Show me any other actor who has dumped $150 Million into politics like Sheldon Adelson.  And Haim Saban beat out other donors to the Democratic Party in the runup to Iraq by a factor of 1200 %.  Their being Jewish has nothing to do with it --other than as THEIR justification for their malign acts.

      Of course, John McCain has argued that Adelson's donations are  really Chinese money funneled via Macau casinos, not Jewish money.  

      The one country who has benefited more from our past decades of disasterous war than Israel has been China.   We are cutting our own throat .  An invasion of Iran would cut the carotid.

      But maybe we should ask Rupert Murdoch's wife.

      And this whole response had been to address your complaint against Hagel that he is hostile to Israel.  Which several Israeli officials have stated is bullshit.

      But in looking back over this discussion, I have tried to be fair -- whereas you have engaged in various dishonest rhetorical tricks (misstating my assertions, vague characterizations, lofty claims unsupported by facts, etc.)  Where I have provided citations to news reports about specific actions by specific actors, you have falsely tried to smear me as anti-semitic.  Whereas, as I noted at the beginnning, the American Jewish community has little to no say in this - - and would not support it if they did.

      But unable to produce facts to support you case, your cabal of buddies instead had to resort to the HR sanction -- which shows what a fraud Daily Kos is when 2 to 4 people can delete 80 some comments.  

      I say fraud because this is supposed to be a place where people can debate how to achieve the ideals and goals of the Democratic Party.   And the last time I checked, sacrificing  the lives of thousands of common citizens for money do not qualify.  

      So I will say goodbye for now.  

      •  AHAHAHAHA this is rich (1+ / 0-)
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        Actually I focused on two billionaires who have dumped enormous amounts of money into politics....
        ....Their being Jewish has nothing to do with it --other than as THEIR justification for their malign acts.
        Err no.. that is NOT what you did. You TRIED to paint two Jewish individuals as responsible for all of the nations ills. YOU brought up the "Israel Lobby", YOU brought up what you thought was an defining article about Jewish Neo-cons from Haaretz. So NO... you brought up these two individuals in the context of their Jewishness.

        Now when you realize that your crap isn't flying because really outside of some administrative tolerance for bigotry, the community is not standing for it. SO you retreat to a comment that their "Jewishness had nothing to do with it". Your comments in this diary however, betray your real feelings here.

        The one country who has benefited more from our past decades of disasterous war than Israel has been China.   We are cutting our own throat .  An invasion of Iran would cut the carotid.
        Well I don't think it would "cut our carotid" but it would certainly hurt us. I don't favor a military strike on Iran at this time so you'll get no argument from me that it is not a good idea right now.
        Where I have provided citations to news reports about specific actions by specific actors, you have falsely tried to smear me as anti-semitic.
        Oh no you don't. I didn't try to "smear" you as anti-Semitic. You ARE anti-Semitic. Your commentary gives you away. You did that too yourself. I just engaged you in enough discussion for that to reveal itself.  Your sense of reasonable conversation was that you were all over the map with multiple charges against Jewish individuals but you never actually dealt with the diary. You also never backed up your support for Hagel except to say that you felt his one quality was to "stand up to the "Israel Lobby".
        But unable to produce facts to support you case, your cabal of buddies instead had to resort to the HR sanction -- which shows what a fraud Daily Kos is when 2 to 4 people can delete 80 some comments.  
        I produced a ton of facts. The fact that you didn't read them to acknowledge that is not my fault. Oh and ragging on DKos... At least get your facts straight. Two to four people can produce 10 to 20 Hide Ratings. BUT they can only Hide rate a comment once. It takes 3 Hide rates to hide a comment IF that comment gets no recs. If a comment gets rec'd. then to hide that comment takes a multiple of 3 (like 2 recs. one would need 6 HR's to Hide it.) SO really two people could delete ZERO comments and the most 4 people could delete would be five comments.

        You should learn the actual rules.

        As for this:

        I say fraud because this is supposed to be a place where people can debate how to achieve the ideals and goals of the Democratic Party.
        When did the ideals and goals of the Democratic Party ever include not supporting Israel, or anti-Semitism? To my knowledge not for a long time. You may want to read the Democratic Party Platform. I am a big supporter of the ideals and goals of the Democratic Party. You might be confusing the Dems. with Greens or something like that.

        So.. Ta ta... have fun on Stormfront, or davidduke.com or MondoFront or wherever you came from. I am sure they would love to hear how Haim Saban and Sheldon Adelson  and Teh IZREEL Lobby are responsible for 9.11....

        "'Touch it dude' - President Barack Obama"

        by volleyboy1 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 09:28:22 PM PST

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