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  •  There is an alternative (4+ / 0-)

    It's called nuclear power.  That's it...we can go nuclear or melt the ice caps.

    •  After 40 years of stridency (3+ / 0-)

      I'm now a pro-nuker too, its the only currently available method to avoid carbon emissions and keep the lights on when the sun's down and the wind isn't blowing.

    •  Nuclear power? (6+ / 0-)

      That sector has enormous problems with fundamental economics before you even get to fundamental nuclear safety issues, as well as the waste matter.

      Many/most of the pressurized water reactors all have long term, serious, unresolved problems with corrosion of heat exchangers with billions of expenses as the consequence.

      All of the nuclear plants having spent fuel storage pools with elevated construction like at Fukushiima should be shut down or retrofitted because they are vulnerable to catastrophic blowdowns and subsequent spent fuel fires both from  earthquake induced catastrophic tank leaks and from hydrogen explosions that occur from other causes in nearby process equipment during accidents.

      •  All true (1+ / 0-)
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        Nukes will have to be done much smarter, away from oceans, flood plains, fault lines, for starters.

        A big nuke program will produce 3 times as much waste as produced now, still with nowhere to go.

        While parts corrosion is a big problem, it is  do-able.

        •  Nuclear option not compatible with combined (2+ / 0-)
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          Calamity Jean, orlbucfan

          heat and power approaches either, mostly because of inherent siting issues.    The one attempt to do this failed miserably in Michigan with the Midland Nuclear Plant.....billions lost.

          So with nuclear power you're still throwing away all of the secondary steam and heat with no beneficial use.

      •  I agree on the old plants (1+ / 0-)
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        They are much more dangerous than newer plants.  Newer plants can cool by convection, which prevents disasters like fukushima from happening.

        Personally I think that thorium salt reactors could really solve a lot of problems, but I think it would take a decade or more to get commercial versions online.

        In any case nuclear may not be perfect, but it's ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better than coal.  Seriously... coal kills more people every year than nuclear plants have killed in total ever... and coal is also vastly more polluting.

        Look, I know nothing is perfect.. but we have to accept that modern society is not just going to stop using massive amounts of electricity... and I don't see anything except nuclear and fossil fuel that can current provide it

    •  We don't need nuclear (2+ / 0-)
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      beach babe in fl, orlbucfan

      We can produce enough energy with the various means available now if we stop the increasing use of power.  Long term we need a reduction in population or were screwed.

      The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

      by AoT on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 05:02:35 PM PST

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      •  You need to be realistic (1+ / 0-)
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        Deward Hastings

        If you think people are going to all of a sudden stop using so much power I don't know what to tell you other than that's simply not going to happen.

        It's much more politically viable to replace coal with nuclear.

        •  If that's not going to happen then we're screwed (2+ / 0-)
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          beach babe in fl, Calamity Jean

          and that's that.  Of course, the other option is forced reduction in energy consumption, which may be easier.

          The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Mon Jan 07, 2013 at 05:20:33 PM PST

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