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  •  If I were a Republican ... (2+ / 0-)
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    Lawrence, Roadbed Guy

    I'd shout "Solyndra" and then start giggling. But as a Progressive, I'd point out that national investments take time and counsel patience. As someone once said, even the longest journey begins with a single step.

    A waist is a terrible thing to mind.

    by edg on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 08:40:08 AM PST

    •  Speaking of Solyndra I'd like to mention (4+ / 0-)
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      Beacon Power in the context of this diary.

      Beacon has created a flywheel energy storage system that is one potential solution to the storage problem mentioned above.

      Let me say quickly that I have no financial investment in them (thank god) or other association with them other then the fact they built their prototype in my town so I have some familiarity with them and desire to see them succeed.

      What their technology does is store energy in flywheels attached to the grid so that when the peaks and valleys of energy use and production do not match energy can be pulled from the flywheels and coal fired plants do not need to ramp up energy production thereby allowing them to operate at a standard and much more efficient level which also means one that does not produce as much toxic waste.

      I gather there are other storage solutions being prototyped as well but this is the sort of thing that needs to be built alongside wind turbines in particular to make the technology more robust and feasible as a long term solution.

      "Do what you can with what you have where you are." - Teddy Roosevelt

      by Andrew C White on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 11:44:59 AM PST

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    •  If you're a progressive you can still giggle about (7+ / 0-)
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      DWG, offgrid, PeterHug, Odysseus, gzodik, BYw, Egalitare

      this - insofar as clean coal suffered exactly the same fate as Solyndra  - but on a 3x or larger scale.

      Which is to say the ARRA gave the clean coal folk about $1.5 billion to build clean coal demonstration plants - and what came out of that?  Well, pretty much nothing.   Which I could have predicted before the fact considering that there really is no such thing as "clean coal" . . ..

      •  I have actually visited "clean coal" facilities (1+ / 0-)
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        which is to say, carbon sequestration facilities where CO2 is scrubbed from the flue gas at a power plant, and then deep well injected.  So demonstration facilities were in fact constructed. The problem is that they are so energy intensive that the additional power to operate them ends up generating even more CO2 than they are injecting.  In other words, they mechanically work, but they don't achieve the desired goal of net reductions in CO2 emissions.

        Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

        by bigtimecynic on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 07:26:31 AM PST

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    •  if you were a Republican . . . (4+ / 0-)
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      PeterHug, NoMoreLies, gzodik, BYw

      someone would point out to you that the Solyndra contract was signed by the Dubya Administration.

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