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  •  coal appears to be part of the option (1+ / 0-)
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    cynndara

    they're using though.

    just a little bit bored.

    by terrypinder on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 04:26:16 PM PST

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    •  Definitely that (0+ / 0-)

      The headlong rush out of nuclear was ill  advised I'm afraid

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:58:13 PM PST

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      •  I think your assessment is a bit premature. (1+ / 0-)
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        splashy

        It's too early, and Germany is a pioneer. The experts know themselves there will be mistakes along the way, but that will only benefit those who follow - learning from the mistakes and doing things better.

        „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

        by translatorpro on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 02:18:53 PM PST

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    •  It's not. (3+ / 0-)
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      translatorpro, Lawrence, splashy

      Assuming by "option" you mean "baseload".  I'll leave it up to the diarist to clarify whether they deliberately lied or simply didn't read or understand their own links, but the new plants are replacing baseload coal with far more efficient coal peakers.  Replacing with a more efficient version = reducing CO2, not adding, != consuming more coal.  Peakers = gap filling for when the sun isn't shining and the wind isn't blowing, aka, supporting ever-growing wind and solar penetration.  

      They'll probably function as baseload in the early days (they are replacing plants that are currently running as baseload, after all), but they're clear design intent peakers, taking only 15 minutes to ramp up or down - a role that will become increasingly important as solar and wind penetration keep rising.

      •  i'm referring to the fuelsource (0+ / 0-)

        not the baseload.

        Yes, I am of the opinion that coal, as a fuel source, is not a good thing period.

        I don't understand the hate for this diary. It really wasn't that bad, and it isn't explictly pro-nuclear, and actually has praise for renewables.

        just a little bit bored.

        by terrypinder on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 08:48:45 AM PST

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        •  Maybe it isn't "that bad", but it's not the truth, (2+ / 0-)
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          Lawrence, splashy

          either. It is misrepresenting the facts, or even worse, the diarist is cherry-picking the stuff he likes and leaving out the rest.

          „Wer kämpft, kann verlieren. Wer nicht kämpft, hat schon verloren.“ - Bertolt Brecht

          by translatorpro on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 02:22:11 PM PST

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