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  •  Can't track private citizen sales/exchanges... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...without registration. And yes, that includes inheriting granddad's (or grandma's) flintlock that has been in the family for generations.

    Whether it is federal or something that mimics the mutual recognition agreement among states regarding vehicular registration, I really don't care. But some universal registration has to be the foundation of any meaningful weapon safety program/policy.

    When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

    by Egalitare on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:19:17 AM PST

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    •  And even if you had a registration (1+ / 0-)
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      that tracked the legal civilian purchases, the criminals and lunatics would still engage in a black market trading that is and would remain outside of the registration.  It is important to remember that laws will only bind the law abiding.  Laws will not control criminal behavior.

      •  laws will, in fact, support the escalation (2+ / 0-)
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        of criminal enterprises, pretty much overnight.

        But what we have learned from the war on drugs is that all the deaths surrounding the policy are acceptable.

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:32:33 AM PST

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        •  Speaking of the war on drugs .... (1+ / 0-)
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          The two states, Colorado and Washington that recently passed recreational marijuana use laws give some potential insight into what might happen with federal gun laws that are highly unpopular in certain states.

          As it stands those two states have effectively said that they are not going to enforce federal laws.  This has been playing out in interesting ways as both sates currently have a network of medical MJ dispensaries.  Due to the federal regulations, the dispensaries have a hard time getting something as simple as a bank account.  Also, the lack of federal enforcement has created a possibly tough legal precedent that may have carry over effects into other areas.

          With regards to the "war on drugs" prohibition, your right, outlawing something just drives it underground and creates an expensive (in multiple ways) enterprise to fund it.  Just like alcohol prohibition did.

          •  The US government is fully capable (0+ / 0-)

            of making a for-profit venture out of alcohol prohibition, just as they have done with marijuana prohibition.

            Plus illegal alcohol will help fill the private prisons Americans are comfortable with.

            The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

            by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 07:37:58 AM PST

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    •  I have to register my car and quickly (1+ / 0-)
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      or I get in trouble.

      Unsure why gun registration isn't as ubiquitous as vehicle registry. NRA lobbyists, most likely.

      That seems kind of basic.

      I do not buy the 'slippery slope' of 'registration = confiscation'. I don't think guns are going to be confiscated but I think people are going to have to jump through a couple more hoops to obtain them. If the government wanted to ban guns, they'd simply do it. Look at marijuana. They would and do blow tens of billions of dollars a year to ban a weed.

      I think the domino theory isn't valid.

      People can register their guns. I mean, if I would finally choose to buy a handgun, I would have zero objection to registering it. It's no skin off my ass.

      Shit, I have to get fingerprinted and have a 10 year criminal history search just to have a job working with the mentally ill (I'm squeaky clean). People CAN tolerate a bit of scrutiny when buying a gun.....

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:31:11 AM PST

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