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  •  I'm sorry, but I don't think you've factored in a (0+ / 0-)

    couple of things.

    These were kids.  They were not going to defend themselves in any way.

    Any weapon would have accomplished the same end.  

    This happened in Bosnia and happens in any number of violent, repressive societies.

    It is horrible, but not preventable unless we start identifying and helping these mentally abherrent folks a lot quicker.

    ....and somehow get parents to realize that they cannot have weaponry around these problem individuals.

    •  If the killing were slower, there would have been (1+ / 0-)
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      more time for law enforcement to save lives.

      "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

      by JesseCW on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 01:57:50 PM PST

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    •  Not true at all. Chinese nut with a knife (1+ / 0-)
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      injured 22 kids at about the same time, killed none!

      He who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.

      by Sophie Amrain on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:12:43 PM PST

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      •  What makes you think with 310 million firearms in (1+ / 0-)
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        America hands right now, at last count....and gun shops running out of ammo and gun being brought left and right, as we speak....that any ban, even if implemented today....would make it impossible for a criminal to get his or her hands on any weapon of choice?  

        This is not China.  Criminals won't be reduced to having to commit mass murders with a butcher knife.

        •  I wouldn't be surprised (3+ / 0-)
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          If similar arguments were made during the early- to mid-1800s about the abolition of slavery.

          And no, I'm not saying gun owners are as despicable as slaveholders. Rather, I'm speaking to the seemingly daunting size of the task.

          As for me, I'm willing to take a long view. If we can take measures this year that start to limit access to firearms, start to regulate them more heavily, and that, over time, will reduce that number through gun buy-backs and other measures, then perhaps in several decades or even a century we won't be having a discussion about how easy it is for criminals to obtain firearms.

          Don't we owe our descendants a better nation?  I don't think any truly rational person believes the status quo with respect to gun policy in this nation is acceptable.  We need to evolve, just as this nation has evolved into something far, far different than contemplated by the nation's founders.

          And your 310MM value seems a bit high -- the last reference I saw was 270MM from the Small Arms Survey.  Do you have a reference for your value?

      •  And prior to that, a Chinese man killed 6 and (0+ / 0-)

        injured 7 others with a knife because he had a fight with his girlfriend.

        If you need more data, please go here to the FBI stats

        Knives and blunt objects are used in about 1 in 5 homicides in the USA.

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