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  •  Since Assault rifles (2+ / 0-)
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    count for a tiny fraction of gun deaths in America, we will be looking for a very tiny drop in gun deaths which is another good reason to stop messing with a horrible law like the assault rifle ban.

    Reducing the size of clips available to all rifles and handguns however would be a much smarter approach.

    •  doing both might be on the menu (3+ / 0-)

      and much more, including mental health issues, background checks, etc...

      Your point about expecting assault weapons alone to be the answer is well taken.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:29:32 PM PST

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      •  I think you missed my point (1+ / 0-)
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        Banning assault rifles is a non starter for me and many hunters.  Just because someone feels a gun looks scary when in fact it has a tiny caliber bullet makes no sense to demand it be banned.  I am 100% against an assault rifle ban.

        I would be for a ban on 30 round magazines however.  They serve no purpose.

        •  no I didn't miss the point (1+ / 0-)
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          1. despite your objections, AWB still might be on the menu. OTOH it may or may not make the final cut.
          2. the rest is serious stuff that must be included.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 04:14:25 PM PST

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        •  by the way (0+ / 0-)

          good summary of gun polling here. Some things have more support than others.

          AWB is not top of popularity list, though poll by poll you get different results.

          I get you don't like it; it looks like a 50-50 proposition with the public. High capacity magazine ban, background checks are an easier sell.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 05:22:36 PM PST

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          •  Just stick with the easy sell stuff (0+ / 0-)

            and you won't loose us hunters.

            An AR-15 with a 10 round clip is no difference then my granpa's old semi-auto except his was a .30-06 while my AR is a tiny .223.

            The 30 round clip is the biggest issue for AR's currently.

            With that said, we are still discussing a type of gun that is responsible for almost none of the gun violence in this country statistically.  Go for handguns and shotguns if you really want to make a dent in gun violence since they account for most of it.

      •  What would reasonable... (0+ / 0-)

        ...mental health and background checks which don't interfere substantially with the right of the average citizen to keep and bear arms be?

        I can see that private party transfers should include a background check. A free instant check by the seller via the Internet would likely not be too burdensome -- especially if the government kept no record of successful checks beyond an encrypted version that the seller and buyer could subsequently decrypt using their own keys to prove the check was done and that the person passed.

        Pretty much, the types of limitations imposed on voter id laws should apply roughly to checks you speak of. The bar might be higher, but the right to vote and the right to keep and bear arms are of equal priority as far as I can see and anything that is very burdensome seems to be a violation of the underlying right.

        As far as I can tell, none of this would have affected Newtown or most other cases as the perpetrators have, at least mostly, not been under treatment for mental health issues.

        I could see the argument, although would disagree with, that perhaps all mental health professionals should be required to report to the Federal government all those under treatment and/or prescribed medication for a range of mental health issues. This could support firearms background checks and other purposes such as identifying possible suspects in a variety of crimes.

        •  I don't know what would have prevented newtown (1+ / 0-)
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          but any steps to reduce gun violence are worth considering.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 07:37:31 PM PST

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