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  •  Does not even count suicides, action cannot come (0+ / 0-)

    too soon!

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 04:41:26 PM PST

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    •  If that doesn't count suicides... (0+ / 0-)

      ...this must be an anomaly (perhaps seasonal?). Where did this number come from?

      Today is the eighth day of the year (not quite over in fact). There are approximately 365.25 days in a year.

      Data (pg. 42) for the United States shows (data for 2011 is preliminary):

      • Annual deaths via firearms (all causes): 32,163 (2011), 31,672 (2010)
      • Annual suicides via firearms: 19,766 (2011), 19,392 (2010)
      • Computed non suicide deaths via firearms: 12,397 (2011), 12,280 (2010)
      • "Per Day" suicides via firearm: 33.9 (2011), 33.6 (2010)
      • "First Eight Days" of suicide via firearms: 271.5 (2011), 269.0 (2010)

      Thus, if there have been 588 shooting deaths to date in 2013 including (I assume) crimes and accidents but excluding suicides and such events are uniformly distributed, this is over two times the recent historical rate.

      In any event, this number does not seem representative of any long term trend. Surely it's not caused by a sudden proliferation of guns -- about 40 to 50 percent of households had firearms in recent years and surely in the last year that hasn't risen to be 80 to 100 percent.

      •  Correction... (0+ / 0-)

        The last two bullets of my previous post should read:

        • "Per Day" non suicide deaths via firearm: 33.9 (2011), 33.6 (2010)
        • "First Eight Days" of non suicide deaths via firearms: 271.5 (2011), 269.0 (2010)
    •  Ok but will any of these proposed measures stop (0+ / 0-)

      suicides.  How many "assault weapon" suicides are there?  Just curious, cause I don't know the answer.

      Will a national registry stop suicides?

      Will taxes or bullet counts stop suicides?  

      Generally if someone is suicidal, they will use rope, a belt, pills or throw themselves off a building when there is no gun present....hence suicide watch in jail.

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