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  •  On a related and horrifically depressing note, (37+ / 0-)

    please see the "Saddest graph you'll see all day year".

    It drives home extremely well the fact that false rape accusations are exceedingly rare, despite what media reports might suggest. Almost as rare are cases when rapists actually go to jail.

    Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less. E.J. Dionne

    by blueyescryinintherain on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 11:54:40 AM PST

    •  When only a tiny minority (19+ / 0-)

      of rapes are ever reported.

      When a minority of reported rapes go to trial.

      When a minority of rapes that go to trial result in a jail sentence.

      It becomes almost understandable why people who are not paying attention or don't want to pay attention find it so easy to believe that false accusations are common.  Just look at that graph.  Two false accusations for every ten rapists jailed -- and only ten rapists jailed for every 30 or so that go to trial.  Looks like a fucking epidemic of false and frivolous accusations, doesn't it?

      If all you want to pay attention to is what gets on the news.

      •  That drives me crazy (28+ / 0-)

        Several years ago the number of reported rapes in Boise dropped significantly and the local news were all smiles about it, not realizing that that was actually a problem.

        The fact that there were fewer reported rapes meant that fewer women were reporting being raped, not that there were fewer incidences of rape. We actually want the number of reported rapes to be higher than what they are.

        Our local public radio finally did a more in depth report about it, and people who are knowledgeable about these numbers were saying that we should always be concerned by a significant drop in the numbers of reported rapes, because the number of incidences is typically pretty steady.

        On a side note, I know plenty of women who've been raped, one of which was reported but never went anywhere ('cause she was drunk so, you know) and one actually did get a conviction- but only because of a few horrific details that I'll not divulge here. Suffice to say, if that rape had been ever so slightly less horrific, it would have also been dropped by LE.

        That leaves about seven rapes that I can think of off the top of my head that were never reported.

        Those numbers should make everyone sick. Women deserve a lot better than that.

        P.S. I am not a crackpot.

        by BoiseBlue on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:43:05 PM PST

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      •  There are some problems with that graph. (0+ / 0-)

        Amanda Marcotte of XX Factor explains why. See my comment below or see this.

        A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. - Greek proverb

        by marleycat on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 05:46:35 PM PST

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      •  If women weren't seen as easy targets (5+ / 0-)

        in this coldhearted testosterone-fueled country's culture, this would never be an issue. But it isn't just rape.

        Women don't have rights in the eyes of this very community.

        Commenters and diarists right here on this site last month could not wait to blame the first murder victim for the rampage in Connecticut.
        "She had guns."
        "Her guns didn't save her."
        "She should have got rid of her guns because she had a troubled son."
        "If she had not been killed, she should have been arrested for arming the killer."

        Women need to be trained to defend themselves against attacks at every level, from the time they're old enough to understand. Just by being alive they're in danger -- and it's "their own damn fault."

        No. No, it isn't.

        Cowards attack women and/or children to prove how strong they are to themselves. A cowardly society makes excuses for them.

        The GOP attacks women's rights out of cowardice.

        The Democratic party tolerates those attacks out of cowardice.

        Let us here, at least, not further forward the cowards.

        LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

        by BlackSheep1 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 09:35:51 PM PST

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    •  i saw a similar thing on fareed zakaria GPS (14+ / 0-)

      about rape in india.

      of about 600 cases of rape reported in delhi (in a certain year), only 1 resulted in a conviction.  and then there are the thousands of unreported cases.

      i remember hearing similar about egypt suring the anti-mubarak protests.  women are assaulted and raped regularly in egypt, but authorities do not do much about it.

    •  Yes. And I'm just waiting for that guy here who (13+ / 0-)

      seems to always show up in rape diaries to proclaim that every story reported was likely a false accusation.

      Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

      by Smoh on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 12:54:22 PM PST

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    •  I saw that. What ticked me off was getting (9+ / 0-)

      the bullsh!t "but there are so many false accusations of rape" RIGHT HERE ON DAILY KOS.

      I am so boiling mad about this story out of Ohio, the story out of India, the rape-publicans running for office this November who felt perfectly safe talking publicly like that.  There are a few apologists around here for "ohhhhhh, it could be a false accusation!" I swear if I meet one of those people in person I am very liable to do physical damage to them.

      Defending rape culture is NOT a liberal value and it has no place here.

      Please note I am not saying that the accused gets no trial.  I am saying that dismissing claims of rape and molestation are a TOOL of the rape culture, and anyone who calls him or herself a liberal should be aware of that.

      •  Do we even dare bring up... (11+ / 0-)

        Julian Assange?  And his legions of "they're just lying jealous sluts and/or paid off by the CIA" defenders here on DK?

        The accuser for whom the rape allegation is about had half a dozen people who knew her testify to her paranoia about unprotected sex, including her previous boyfriend who she not only never allowed unprotected sex in their 2 1/2 years together, but even made him get STD tested before protected sex.  An accuser who texted and talked with a friend after a night together with Assange but before the incident in question, complaining about how mad she was getting that he kept trying to F* her unprotected despite her refusing and how he's bossing her around.  How she ran into her brother when buying breakfast during the same time period, who described her as looking shaken when the topic turned to Assange.  Before the incident.

        But oh no, we're supposed to believe Julian's "she came back, fell asleep, woke up, and then consented for the first time in her life to unprotected with the guy she was mad at" story.  And why are we supposed to believe that?  Because he's Julian Fucking Assange, Liberal Hero, so anything that bad happens with him is a CIA conspiracy or jealous sluts.  It doesn't matter that the guy has a mile long history of this sort of stuff, the self-described "chauvinist" who wrote blog entries about how womens' brains can't do math and how he's a god to women, a guy already accused of cyberstalking a teenager, who dozens of Wikileaks volunteers and associates complained of his sexism, who brought in people like the unimaginably sexist writer Israel Shamir into Wikileaks and defended him from criticism... oh no, he could never do anything like that!  Because he's a Liberal Fucking Hero.

        I apologize, but people here's dismissive reactions to that case really sets me off sometimes.  And worse than the dismissive reactions are when they accept what was alleged but then try to argue that that's not rape. Here, on Daily Kos!  Where I've seen people call what was alleged is "just night moves" or saying that she consented because "she slept with him before" or because "she went back to sleep in the same room" or because "she didn't physically stop him after she realized what he was doing" (never mind the "thought it was too late" and "was in shock" aspects).  

        Let's be abundantly clear: If you don't get AFFIRMATIVE consent, EVERY time, it's rape.  Period.  And just because you've gotten away with it before or the person happened to be into it doesn't change the issue.  You can NEVER assume consent - and in this case, especially when it had been explicitly refused over and over.  

        Consent doesn't need to be some sort of signed contract.  It doesn't even need to be spoken.  Smiling and pulling you closer or whatnot, something that a reasonable person would interpret as affirmative consent, is consent.  But consent must be given in some way or another, every time.  And a sleeping, drunk, or drugged person cannot give consent.  And if you got away with it before because the person just happened to be into it when they came to, I hope like heck you never get into a situation where they're not into it and you do it to them anyway.  Because you'll damn well deserve whatever jailtime you get.

        Just my 2 krónur.

    •  Ezra Klein posted that graph yesterday and (4+ / 0-)

      today walked it back, because the methodology may be wrong. Amanda Marcotte at XX Factor does a good job of explaining it. She's not questioning that rape is not a huge problem, but suggests that, among other things, we should not be counting "rapists" because one rapist often commits many rapes. We should be counting "rapes" instead.  See her essay here.

      A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit. - Greek proverb

      by marleycat on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 03:47:50 PM PST

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      •  That's actually why I decided to link it instead (2+ / 0-)
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        LSophia, marleycat

        of directly posting the the Update could be seen by everyone clicking through. Nevertheless, I think Matthew's sums all of it up nicely in his update,

        So while the phenomena described here are real (and Marcotte argues that, if anything, the chart exaggerates the number of false accusations), be aware that the exact numbers are subject to dispute. WaPo

        Conservatives seem to believe that the rich will work harder if we give them more, and the poor will work harder if we give them less. E.J. Dionne

        by blueyescryinintherain on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 07:07:17 PM PST

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