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  •  I've seen people make that argument (5+ / 0-)

    but never anyone in any position of authority.  And when I have seen it, it is typically brought up in order to forcefully make the point that men should really think twice and three times before they have sex with someone who is really drunk -- because you know, if you do do something to a woman that she can later not remember consenting to and didn't want to happen when in her right mind, it's going to hurt her.  Whether the man "meant" rape or not, it's going to feel like something wrong was done to her.  It's could even fuck her up rather badly, and that's something that no decent person should want to invite.  Err on the side on caution, people.

    Why does every single conversation about rape devolve into a discussion of grayest-of-gray-area edge cases anyway?  Does anyone really get proscecuted for things like this?  Will anyone ever?  I tend to doubt it.  So why even bring it up?

    •  Because they don't want to deal with reality (7+ / 0-)

      The reality is rape culture enables not only rapists, but even the men who never have any intention of raping anyone.  They damned well know it, and they don't want things to change.

      It's same thing with the gun arguments, bring up the most ridiculous edge cases possible and get away from the vast majority of clear-cut crimes that aren't being prosecuted.  The behavior is identical.  Meanwhile we have laws going in to prevent a predicted 25 deaths nationally due to electric cars being too quiet at low speeds.  But 30,000 gun deaths a year, or I don't even know how many unprosecuted, let alone unreported rapes a year, hundreds of thousands, oh nooooo, we CAN'T make those laws tougher.

      •  Yep, it's a way for men to control women (3+ / 0-)
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        even when men aren't actively participating in it. By condoning it, they ensure that women live in fear of the dominant male culture.

        •  I know men who do not want any woman to have to (2+ / 0-)
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          live in fear ever again and unfortunately, I also know rapists.  Between the two is a vast middle, where to differing degrees this certainly appears to be true.  While some Nice Guys tm  in that vast middle do receive some awfully nice benefits from women being afraid all the time.

      •  Wow (2+ / 0-)
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        The reality is rape culture enables not only rapists, but even the men who never have any intention of raping anyone.  They damned well know it, and they don't want things to change.
        I am, sadly, not very shocked that this abhorrent point of view is represented. I fervently hope that people with this opinion are the minority.

        (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
        Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

        by Sparhawk on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 05:53:32 PM PST

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    •  Yes they do get prosecuted for it. (0+ / 0-)

      And I say that from personal experience as a defence lawyer.

      We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

      by RageKage on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 04:44:08 PM PST

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      •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

        I'm fascinated (no joke).  Someone actually takes such a thing to court and expects to win?  Do they?

        •  Well, at least in my jurisdiction there is an (0+ / 0-)

          incredible amount of pressure on prosecutors not to drop cases.  Especially sexual assault.  My most recent case where this happened got thrown out of court at the preliminary inquiry.  But not before my client spent thousands of dollars and had this hanging over his head for a year.

          We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. - Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis

          by RageKage on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 05:26:54 PM PST

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