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  •  I think China is in a Good position to (1+ / 0-)
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    make a massive change over and part of that is because of their massive solar cell production and the ability of the party to make decisions that just aren't politically feasible in the US.  What I do know is that no large countries are where they need to be.  Germany is getting there, but their carbon emissions are still increasing.  As much as your right about the political pragmatism we need to start putting forward solutions that can be implemented quickly and implemented now, because this is a problem now and we don't have a lot of time.

    And I'm sorry if some people lose their jobs.  That sucks.  But when weighed against the potential death toll of global it is nothing.

    The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

    by AoT on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 05:48:50 PM PST

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    •  There needs to be a will, and China has some (1+ / 0-)
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      internal political problems that might sap that will.

      You may not care about destroying millions of families -- but even the Chinese know that's a pretty stupid position if you want to rally support around your cause.

      The Chinese aren't burning all that coal because they want to destroy the atmosphere. Many Chinese -- especially rural Chinese -- have not shared in the Chinese economic boom, and getting electric power and assorted other accoutrements of modern life out to more of the population is a part of avoiding chaos that could imperil the positions of their leaders.

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      by dinotrac on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 06:28:29 PM PST

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      •  It's not that I don't care about destroying (0+ / 0-)

        millions of families, as you put it, it's that the alternative is so incredibly worse.  I don't want to have to be the one years from now telling my grand nieces and grand nephews how we didn't do anything because people might have lost their jobs, or that it wasn't politically expedient.  I don't know how old you are but I'm young enough that I'll probably be around for some of the real bad stuff to start.  The real problem is that no politician is currently putting forward solutions that will actually solve the problem.

        The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

        by AoT on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 09:50:08 AM PST

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        •  The political problem is clear, the solution not (0+ / 0-)

          The thing is, the alternative is not worse if your are one of the families destroyed.  As a result, you cannot expect people to support your efforts to destroy them.

          You can play power politics and spit in their faces if you have the numbers to do so.  After all, politics has little or nothing to do with morality, principle, or higher purpose.

          On the other hand, if there are more millions (especially when their friends and families are considered) than you can easily steamroll,or, alternatively, if you have some humanity and compassion, you can look that much hard for ways to make things better without destroying people in the process.

          What's interesting to me is your response to the scenario I put forward -- reducing US emissions by moving more jobs to China, a move that just shifts emissions from one place to another.  It's pretty sad that you're willing to let others suffer for little more than appearances.  If you ask people to pay a heavy price, you should demand a significant benefit in return.

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          by dinotrac on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 04:57:30 PM PST

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          •  I'd much rather be unemployed than (0+ / 0-)

            live in a world of food shortages and drought.

            What's interesting to me is your response to the scenario I put forward -- reducing US emissions by moving more jobs to China, a move that just shifts emissions from one place to another.  It's pretty sad that you're willing to let others suffer for little more than appearances.  If you ask people to pay a heavy price, you should demand a significant benefit in return.
            That is not a solution, at all.  I'm not sure why you think that I would agree with that except that you want to make me out to be the bad guy.

            The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

            by AoT on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 01:33:52 PM PST

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