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  •  Also in the USA, CO2 down by 5% since 2000 (0+ / 0-)

    On a per-capita basis, even better.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/...

    Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

    by PatriciaVa on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 03:44:25 PM PST

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    •  Yes, and that's good news. (1+ / 0-)
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      The U.S. is starting from a higher per capita CO2 emission level, though, so it's kind of like comparing apples to oranges.

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 03:49:25 PM PST

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    •  No, US up 10.5% from 1990 and 3.2% from 2009 (2+ / 0-)
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      I'm not sure what this source is missing, but the US emitted some 6, 821 MMT CO2eq, not the under 5,000 your source reports.

      These number come from the EPA GHG inventory

      Also, the per capita basis is irrelevant.  The earth doesn't give a discount for having more humans around.

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 04:24:42 PM PST

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      •  I stand by my numbers.... (0+ / 0-)

        And according to figure ES-1 in the report you cite....

        http://www.epa.gov/...

        ....CO2 emissions are down by about 5% since 2000.

        Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

        by PatriciaVa on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 07:25:44 PM PST

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        •  I see the issue: CO2 v CO2eq and 1990 v 2000 (1+ / 0-)
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          I will apologize for misreading your overall post as 1990, not 2000.  1990 is the most common reference baseline, since Kyoto uses it.

          For CO2 alone:  
          1990:  5,100 MMT

          2010: 5,706.4 MMT

          THere is a drop since 2007, which is driven by the economic crash:
          2007  6,118.6  MMT
          2008 5,924.3 MMT

          So yes, you are right.  However, the overall trend is definitely not down in any way, shape or form.  It's a steady rise since 1990, a crash in 2007 with a return to rising trends.

          I don't think that crashing the economy is the preferred method, although perversely, maybe we should be hoping that the GOP wins the debt ceiling fight and the US economy really goes full Argentina.  That would be a help, I suppose.  

          Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

          by Mindful Nature on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 06:57:22 AM PST

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    •  and a little research into this blog (5+ / 0-)

      shows that their evidence comes from the Global Warming POlicy Foundation, who have this to say about themselves.

      The Global Warming Policy Foundation is unique. We are an all-party and non-party think tank and a registered educational charity which, while open-minded on the contested science of global warming, is deeply concerned about the costs and other implications of many of the policies currently being advocated.
      Need I say more?

      Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

      by Mindful Nature on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 04:27:54 PM PST

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      •  oh, it gets better (6+ / 0-)

        This is the guy who has the "Climategate" updates and "Climate FAIL" files talking about how stupid Bill Nye and Al Gore are.

        Yes, it's run by a TV meteorologist

        Sigh.  Always check your sources

        Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

        by Mindful Nature on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 04:30:23 PM PST

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      •  I too am concerned about the costs of carbon... (3+ / 0-)
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        ..mitigation, and still consider myself a Dem.

        But I'm a Dem who happens to believe that the most pressing problem facing the US is income and wealth inequality.

        And every policy prescription put forth by Dems should be examined through that prism.

        Will the policy prescription decrease or increase income and wealth inequality?

        Learn about Centrist Economics, learn about Robert Rubin's Hamilton Project. www.hamiltonproject.org

        by PatriciaVa on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 07:28:51 PM PST

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        •  Yes (2+ / 0-)
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          I responded to this notion previously that climate change is vastly worse and income inequality is no excuse or justification for inaction.  Indeed climate inaction will make global inequality much much worse since the worlds poor have no resources with which to respond.  

          However, viewing it through the prism just suggests which tools to use. I have to say given you inaccurate statement about the track of GHGs in the US and your use of sources whether you really do understand the actual costs.  For example my carbon footprint for my electricity is now zero.  Cost?  About $12 a month. Hardly out of reach for most.  And I am an early adopter

          Hay hombres que luchan un dia, y son buenos Hay otros que luchan un año, y son mejores Hay quienes luchan muchos años, y son muy buenos. Pero hay los que luchan toda la vida. Esos son los imprescendibles.

          by Mindful Nature on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 09:32:44 PM PST

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