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  •  "gun control" is an agenda that is designed to (8+ / 0-)

    fail. Might as well call for hammer control or drug control.

    The issue is humans exercising self-control and, in some few cases, totally antagonistic humans deciding to eliminate the lives of people they don't like.

    While I happen to think guns, missiles and bombs are a coward's tools, designed to inflict damage without risking injury to the self, restricting the tools is useless, although not making them in the first place might have some positive effect. "Control" is a delusion. The notion appeals mainly to people who can't exercise self-control and imagine they can control other people instead.

    The more salient question, it seems to me, is how come so many citizens of the United States are so antagonistic towards their fellow man. The answer, I suspect, has to do with the fact that the promise of the national experiment (life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness) has never yet been realized. Instead, we have been handed ownership, of things and people (property rights), as a sop to compensate for the fact that our inherent properties (speech, association, recreation, replication, bodily integrity) have been and continue to be routinely disrespected. After all, the state still claims the right to prematurely extinguish the lives of persons who violate some stricture and parents are given ownership of children, whom they are free to abuse, as long as it's not too visible. A million children run away from homes each year and those are, most likely, the less aggressive and less antagonistic.
    When people are treated like commodities, that can't be good for them.
    Women are being denied medical care for life-threatening conditions (EVERY pregnancy is potentially deadly) to satisfy the interests of the contributors of sperm, which they otherwise routinely discard with abandon and self-control is out the window.

    How do we promote self-control and care for the well-being of other people? Not with gun control.

    We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

    by hannah on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 05:08:05 AM PST

    •  I respect your opinion, (3+ / 0-)
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      Sandino, Glen The Plumber, 43north

      In an ideal world we wouldn't need regulation and control...but in practical terms we should come to terms with some sensible light regulation.

      •  "To regulate" is to make regular. (2+ / 0-)
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        JayFromPA, 43north

        Humans consider the regular better than the random because regular lets them take advantage of memory and predict the future.
        "Environmental regulation" has largely been a failure in terms of eliminating the dispersal of toxins into air and water and on the land (forget underground) because the regular emission of poisons is no better than the random. Never mind that making the environment regular is contrary to the natural state of diversity on which organic existence depends.

        The argument environmental regulators rely on to support their agenda is that, eventually, the regular collection of data will enable them to "prove" beyond a shadow of a doubt that spewing or pouring out concentrated toxins is a danger to public health and then they can call a halt. Meanwhile, they continue to hope that the solution to pollution is dilution and they won't have to reverse man's habit of using Mother Nature as his toilet after all.
        Regulation and control do not eliminate toxins -- i.e. things that are inimical to life. Guns are inimical to life. That's their purpose. Regulation and control won't change that.

        I have no pesticides or herbicides or organicides around me. So, I don't have to be concerned about regulation and control. What can I do about my neighbors? Nothing. It's a free country. I can expect them to respect my privacy, but that's all.

        If we inculcated respect for privacy by our words and actions, would we preclude people abusing and/or shooting their own kind?

        We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

        by hannah on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 05:37:50 AM PST

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