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  •  "Slut" used to mean "unkempt woman", more or less. (11+ / 0-)

    The word was originally a judgment on her appearance and hygiene, not her sexual behavior.  I'm pretty sure "slut" and "slattern" are etymologically related.

    I've never seen "slattern" used to mean "harlot", though.

    •  When I was young, (7+ / 0-)

      all those many years ago, it was pretty much short for "loose woman".  One who didn't take care of herself, and let just about anything happen.  So lack of attention to personal appearance could be a factor.

      But Pat is still a nitwit.

      I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

      by trumpeter on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 01:45:00 PM PST

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    •  I have. Mostly in books. Sci-Fi fantasy type stuff (0+ / 0-)
      •  That doesn't necessarily mean it's correct usage. (0+ / 0-)

        I've seen way too many fantasy authors have their characters use "wench" as an insult, for instance, in attempt to sound medieval-y.  (It could certainly be used dismissively, but no more so than "woman" or "kid" -- or "fellow," for that matter.)

        Trumpeter's response above is well taken, though.

        •  If you are going to tell me that Slut Shaming (0+ / 0-)

          is the practice of embarrassing women over their "slovenly" appearance, then I shall have to barf. And since Slattern, Trollop, Whore, Slut, etc., have been used interchangeably in the common tongue for as long as I can remember, and my mother can remember, in both literature, as well as street language, then NO, absolutely not, this is not "incorrect" usage.

          I cannot believe you would defend the actions of that man hating sack of crap over a choice to stick to an antiquated application of the word.

          I suppose now you are going to tell me that women accused of having a "Disorderly House" were simply hoarders and not in fact, accused of running brothels, or being prostitutes.

          Hmmm, Disorderly, Slovenly, Slatternly, Slut---NAH, because that would suggest that Disorderly was simply a euphemism for something other than simply laundry on the floor or unkempt lawns.

          Unkempt Lawns you say? Dirty Laundry?!

          Is there anything more fun than slang?

          •  oops--woman hating. He probably hates a lot of men (0+ / 0-)

            too, especially men that do not adhere to his "unique" ideology, and by unique I meant effed up.

          •  Oh, by no means defending. Quite the reverse. (0+ / 0-)

            I think it's very telling, with regard to generalized misogyny (and sex-negativity) in our language's history, that a word that originally referred to being unkempt -- and only ever to an unkempt woman -- took on the meaning of being sexually available / indiscriminate, and that the latter meaning eventually eclipsed the former.

            Or, I suppose, two words.  (Three?)  I've honestly never heard or read "slatternly" as meaning anything other than "slovenly", but I'm hearing enough people say they have.  By saying "that doesn't mean it's correct usage" I meant only that fantasy novels aren't reliable sources for historical usage of words, because writers get stuff wrong.

            Finally:  whichever way he meant it, it's an indefensible and baseless accusation.  "Easy to blame the woman."  Well yes, it's very easy if you're not limited by any need to know what's actually going on, and if you're a woman-hating sack of crap (excellent phrase, that).

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