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  •  Interesting balancing test. Is it acceptable to (0+ / 0-)

    make people in other places take risk of all sorts of mayhem so that the guy who chooses to live twelve miles from the border can feel himself somehow safer? Or to make all people who go to public places like schools and theaters take the risk of being shot there so that the folks on the Mexican border . . . . One of the problem with the argument is that the border situation is being generalized to cover all gun possession and use in the semi automatic range and to rationalize away all that happens with such stuff that has nothing to do with individual literal self protection. This kind of sloppy generalization now has nut cases in my area demanding all teachers carry guns in schools, leaving guns within snitching range of children.

    •  The same argument exists in reverse (0+ / 0-)

      Perhaps people who live near public places where shooters may be attracted to the crowd should move away from them.

      It's no more ridiculous than your argument.

      Do they have the right to make people on the border give up their private property, and their livelihoods, for your convenience?    Not only that, but keep in mind that  the consequences of policies that the entire nation voted for, our beloved Drug War, the New Prohibition, is what made their areas so dangerous.   They are paying the price for the rest of us, and now you want them to pay MORE, give up EVERYTHING?   And, remember, they are part of our food supply.  Those cows they are going after are the beef we eat at our supermarket.

      There may be a very similar argument about avoiding dangerous places, for suggesting that we might want to consider NOT attending Batman movies, and NOT taking your nine year old child to see Batman.    It is time for a public discussion of violence porn.   You wouldn't take your nine year old to see sex porn, and you might even recognize that taking your kid to a theatre full of porn addicts could be a dangerous place for the child, so why would you take your nine year old child to see violence porn in a theatre full of violence porn addicts?   It is abudantly clear that the theme of violence and depravity attracted this predator and influenced his actions.   Perhaps that is not a family friendly or safe situation in which to bring your children, and it is YOU who should avoid that dangerous setting.

      Let me ask you this.   Consider a crazed and dangerous man who has an obsessive desire to kill people.    Let's assume that we have an assault weapon ban in place, but that many types of guns, many with clips that hold up to ten bullets, are still available, as everyone expects would be the case.

      Do you think that a crazed, osbsessive, determined mass murderer who plans for months, would simply choose other available guns, obtain illegal weapons, modify legal weapons illegally, or build homemade devices?

      Or, do you think this violent, obsessive predator, who planned for months, would simply give up, because his rifle only holds ten bullets?  

      Logic tells me our shooter would find a way to make his fantasy come true, and the tragedies will continue.

      I wish you were right that a simple assault weapons ban will fix this problem.   I pray you are right, even though I'm an atheist.    I want to be wrong.

      But, no matter how I want to believe it, I don't.

      I expect Gun Control to work as well as The Controlled Substances Act, which is not at all.    Those same smugglers on the South Arizona Ranch will be bringing in assault weapons by the truck load.   It's a bandaid on a mortal wound.    As long as crazed, violent, obsessive mass murderers are wandering around, they are going to find or make weapons to use.    I would like to believe in the fantasy that the we could just make guns illegal, but let's face it.  Murder is ALREADY illegal.  There was an assult weapon ban in Connecticue.  And that didn't stop the shootings.  

      We have to work on the reasons that shooters got that way in the first place.    Most of them were kids and young adults, so focusing on the welfare of kids is the place to start.   It's not so simple as passing gun laws, but going back to the root of the problem is the only way.  

      If we leave a determined mass murderer wandering around without help to ponder the problem long enough, even if we try everything we know to keep the gun out of his hands, he'll find a way to act on his urges.


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