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  •  Dictating expensive solutions... (0+ / 0-)

    ...will not work.  Raising living standards worldwide requires increased energy consumption.  Dictating the use of expensive energy (e.g. solar) instead of cheap fossil energy (coal) is a non-starter for developing nations.  We need a market-based solution:  energy cheaper than coal.  See the book of the same title: THORIUM: Energy Cheaper then Coal by Robert Hargraves.

    Imagine a world of abundant, cheap, clean energy.  There is nothing standing between us and such a future besides failure of will and imagination.

    Obama is still my guy.

    by AKguy on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:19:47 AM PST

    •  Let me guess... (0+ / 0-)

      You're a fan of Julian Simon.

      "Every time you opt in to kindness/ Make one connection, used to divide us/ It echoes all over the world" -- from Dar Williams' "Echoes"

      by Cassiodorus on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:24:01 AM PST

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      •  Not really... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...I'm in favor of a smaller world population and living more in harmony with the natural world.  Getting to lower population growth can come from higher living standards, empowering women, etc.  Cheap energy is key.  Low-carbon energy is essential to mitigate and eventually reverse AGW.

        Expensive green energy is just not going to do the trick in the third world, I'm afraid.  This from someone with $16,000 of solar panels on his roof.

        Obama is still my guy.

        by AKguy on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:47:27 AM PST

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    •  Coal isn't cheap. It's extremely expensive. It's (3+ / 0-)
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      just that it's very easy for corporations which profit from coal to externalize the cost.

      "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

      by JesseCW on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 11:23:56 AM PST

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      •  I agree, but... (0+ / 0-)

        ...as long as the costs aren't borne by coal-sellers, coal consumption will increase.  Unregulated markets are not good at pricing in externalities, and I don't see carbon taxes happening any time soon.  If you are running a developing economy, are you willing to make electricity expensive so as to reduce CO2 emissions, even though that slows development and keeps more of your populace in poverty?  The obvious answer is: "no".

        Obama is still my guy.

        by AKguy on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 05:29:19 PM PST

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        •  You don't have to make electricity expensive (1+ / 0-)
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          to reduce emissions.

          You just have start charging some serious fees for the extraction of your nations coal, then spend the proceeds investing in affordable renewable energy.

          •  It also helps to run an army of Robin Hoods (0+ / 0-)

            to tax the rich and give to the poor.  All of the pre-capitalist producers of poverty are long gone, leaving capitalism as the main producer of poverty now.

            "Every time you opt in to kindness/ Make one connection, used to divide us/ It echoes all over the world" -- from Dar Williams' "Echoes"

            by Cassiodorus on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:11:39 PM PST

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          •  "affordable renewable" (0+ / 0-)

            And what renewable competes with cheap coal on price, assuming no carbon tax on the coal?  

            Obama is still my guy.

            by AKguy on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:29:08 AM PST

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