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  •  I confess to being a sociobiologist (2+ / 0-)
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    To me, everything is biology, even culture. So, money, as I said is just another kind of banana. Interestingly, money has many things in common with drugs of addiction. People who are so vastly wealthy that they could never hope to spend even a tiny fraction of it still seek it. There seems to be never enough. When they talk about making money, you can see the enormous thrill they get from such acquisition. This is not something I really have, and you probably don't either, but we live in the same culture as, say, Donald Trump. I would say that he is addicted to money, and his brain probably gives him the same dopamine charge as a cocaine addict gets when they snort a line.

    We now know that all addictions work through the same mechanism. Low basal dopamine levels in the addict's brain need a bigger stimulus to get to a threshold than you or I do. Addiction can be created to many kinds of behaviors, as long as you have low dopamine and the behavior brings a big immediate reward. The endless pursuit of ever more money is just that, in my opinion. Perhaps if we could deal with the dopamine problem, we could deal with the money problem, but not before.

    For if there is a sin against life, it consists perhaps not so much in despairing of life as in hoping for another life and in eluding the implacable grandeur of this life. - Albert Camus

    by Anne Elk on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:57:51 AM PST

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    •  And yet a mother (2+ / 0-)
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      will gladly sacrifice her own personal "profit" for her children, if it otherwise means letting them starve. You're ignoring other human traits while elevating the trait that makes us want "more."

      Traits can be exaggerated beyond proportion. To say they exist is one thing, but the question is do such traits exist to the exclusion of all other traits.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 11:43:38 AM PST

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      •  Bingo (0+ / 0-)

        Selfishness is a patriarchal construct which is parasitic on the nurturing gift economy of mothers. Human sociality -- language, intelligence, tool use all of it  -- evolved from cooperative childrearing among protohuman females.

        The whole patriarchal capitalist meme of warlike "selfishness" is a projection of our diseased and nonviable culture. It's simply social Darwinism, reintroduced as part of the right wing resurgence in the 1970s.

      •  Zhen Ren, it's more than that. (0+ / 0-)

        "Anne Elk" is trying to universalize something that is culturally-bound and specific to historic time.

        "Every time you opt in to kindness/ Make one connection, used to divide us/ It echoes all over the world" -- from Dar Williams' "Echoes"

        by Cassiodorus on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 01:45:43 PM PST

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        •  I realize that Cass (1+ / 0-)
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          And there are many studies that indicate that this competitive drive for "profit" is balanced by other traits. It really is a right wing meme that other social biologists, anthropologists/psychologists don't agree with.

          Here's a comprehensive article (one of many found with a quick search) that covers a lot of ground:

          http://anarchism.pageabode.com/...

          "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

          by ZhenRen on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 05:09:12 PM PST

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      •  people do things for all kinds of reasons (1+ / 0-)
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        elevating a rational self-interested profit motive assumes a lot of things about the economic agent.

        if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 01:56:42 PM PST

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    •  Don't make that assumption ... (0+ / 0-)

      I -- like most in my (our?) society -- often have bugged-out eyes contemplating 'sales' or 'things' or dreaming of the Powerball payout.  Now, I recognize this (most of the time) and fight that 'dopamine' drive -- often successfully.

      Blogging regularly at Get Energy Smart NOW! for a sustainable energy future.

      by A Siegel on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 11:49:05 AM PST

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