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  •  Numerous anthropological studies (2+ / 0-)
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    show that many different groups of people in many different social contexts will pursue increases in leisure time rather than pursuing what capitalists call "profit" at their jobs.

    Of course, if you call all responses "profit," you get what information scientists call GIGO, or garbage in, garbage out.

    The onus is not on me to operationalize Anne Elk's definitions.  It's her claim.

    "Every time you opt in to kindness/ Make one connection, used to divide us/ It echoes all over the world" -- from Dar Williams' "Echoes"

    by Cassiodorus on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 11:15:47 AM PST

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    •  Ah. But leasure time (0+ / 0-)

      is "profit".

      In fact, it's the greatest goal, or "profit". that everyone tries to obtain more of, after the necessities of food, clothing, shelter, safety, and health are secured.

      The whole point of having a lot of money is to gain more leasure time, or at least to think that you will get more leasure time. It's the actual goal, not the money, although most doen't recognize that, and most people never actually get there.

    •  It's naive biological reductionism (1+ / 0-)
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      Unfortunately, sociobiologists are infamous for that, as well as pushing right wing political memes as the latest "science".

      Sociobiology is based on mid-20th century theories about how genes evolve that were absurdly oversimplified and have next to nothing to do with what we have learned in the decades since we began sequencing DNA. Most of the DNA doesn't code protein (classical) "genes") at all -- it codes numerous different kinds of small RNAs or it has patterns involved in how DNA is bound to chromatin.

      •  Thanks atana! (1+ / 0-)
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        Have you thought of converting this post into a diary?

        "Every time you opt in to kindness/ Make one connection, used to divide us/ It echoes all over the world" -- from Dar Williams' "Echoes"

        by Cassiodorus on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 04:14:36 PM PST

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        •  Well, it's not exactly news any more :-) (1+ / 0-)
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          The sociobiology debates were hot stuff in the 1970s, but the latest manifestation of it is "evolutionary psychology" which is an enthusiasm of psychologists, not biologists. "Evolutionary psychologists" worry about things like why homosexuality exists, since in their view it is "obviously" a Darwinian disadvantage... and they spout rubbish about how girls are bad at math because prehistoric girls didn't throw spears... and gems of that sort.

          If evolutionary psychology ever raises its pseudoscientific head on DKos, I might write something about it. But most biologists who study the evolution of animal behavior don't make sweeping, reductive statements about human social constructs such as "profit".

          However -- it's very possible that our billionaires and masters of the financial universe have a form of addiction to making money, and that their brains' neurochemical reward systems are not working as they originally evolved to work in our ancestors.

          •  atana, all I need to do here is mention socialism (1+ / 0-)
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            and the evolutionary psychologists come out of the woodwork right away to claim that "man" was not meant for socialism, or for that matter any society based on anything but the almighty free market.

            So my feeling is that this topic deserves a diary!  At any rate, I greatly appreciate your contributions here.

            "Every time you opt in to kindness/ Make one connection, used to divide us/ It echoes all over the world" -- from Dar Williams' "Echoes"

            by Cassiodorus on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:08:16 PM PST

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      •  ? (0+ / 0-)
        Most of the DNA doesn't code protein (classical) "genes") at all -- it codes numerous different kinds of small RNAs or it has patterns involved in how DNA is bound to chromatin.
        How does that negate sociobiology?

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