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  •  this is why the 2010 elections were so important (1+ / 0-)
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    but i'm sorry, this is just nonsense:

    Democrats currently lead Republicans by 1,362,351 votes in the overall popular vote total.  Democratic House candidates earned 49.15 percent of the popular vote, while Republicans earned only 48.03 percent.”
    they didn't win enough votes in the right districts, and that is all that matters. until house races are won by this metric, it's a meaningless metric.

    all it tells us is that dems placed a lot of votes in places the GOP wasn't ever going to win and vice versa.  and really, we're talking about not even a full 1% of difference.

    even if their wins are 100% due to gerrymandering, the stat is meaningless.

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

    by Cedwyn on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 05:48:30 AM PST

    •  Chicken and egg... (3+ / 0-)
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      Basically what you are saying is that the shape of the districts don't match the number of votes cast - which is the whole point of gerrymandering, to concentrate the popular vote of the other party into areas that won't win districts.

      It's hardly a meaningless issue. If we want representative government, we can't depend on winning control of the ability to draw the district along unrepresentative lines.

      •  i didn't say the issue was meaningless (0+ / 0-)

        i said the stat is, and it is.  and we are only talking about less than 1% difference in those vote totals.  

        it's also true that of the 234 House seats held by the GOP, Obama only won 15 of them.  i'm not sure one can chalk that entirely up to gerrymandering.  i suppose comparing, as best as may, to the 2008 presidential results might be illuminating.

        Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

        by Cedwyn on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 06:37:58 AM PST

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    •  The stat is clearly not meaningless. (1+ / 0-)
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      While garnering only 48% of the popular vote, Republicans control 53.5% of House seats, for a full 5.5% spread.  Given the nubmer of votes cast in the 2012 election, this means that something is seriously, seriously amiss, and it's because of highly undemocratic House district gerrymandering by Republicans.  It's flatly undemocratic and, since Republicans lost the popular vote this year, highly un American as well.  This is particularly troubling as there is a movement starting amongst Republicans in a number of swing states to change awarding of electoral votes from winner-take-all to apportionment by which candidate won which Congressional district.  At least one Republican operative has already made the case that, had such apportionment been in place during the 2012 elections, Romney would have won the Presidency.

      So yeah, the stat is not meaningless.  Quite the opposite - it's practically the only stat that matters.

      The road to Hell is paved with pragmatism.

      by TheOrchid on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 08:59:33 AM PST

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