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  •  Where does Obama dig these guys up? (2+ / 0-)
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    And -- why?

    Does he still think these pathetic 'gestures' win him any points from people who would most likely prefer him dead, not just out of the White House?

    I truly don't get this man.

    It's why I believe we are headed for a cave-in of epic proportions next month.

    •  Try using a different frame of reference (1+ / 0-)
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      Think less traditional democrat and more like Reagan.

      Obama: self-described moderate Republican

      by The Dead Man on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:16:39 AM PST

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    •  Is it possible Obama isn't personally planning all (11+ / 0-)

      the details of the inauguration?

      •  I agree Agave, I think the chair of the (4+ / 0-)
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        winsock, PinHole, vcmvo2, doroma

        inauguration is making a lot of these decisions and extending the invitations. I would think the President or at least his Chief of Staff would need to approve this. But I wonder if the chair vouched for all of these people and they took his or her word for it...that can happen, I have seen it happen for some events.

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        by wishingwell on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:36:15 AM PST

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      •  If it were my inauguration (4+ / 0-)

        I certainly would be paying attention to who shares the podium with me.

        Maybe they don't really understand the American public. Maybe they labor under the false notion that most Americans (or their target demographic) are  bunch of bigoted idiots who attend Wal-Mart style mega-churches.  

        They need to stop watching Honey Boo Boo and get out in the real world more often.

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:37:29 AM PST

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      •  While I'm sure he's signing off (or not) I'm (2+ / 0-)
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        equally sure he's not vetting them himself.

        I just don't think he's sitting up late at night googling names.

        "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

        by JesseCW on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:50:13 AM PST

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        •  no, but someone should be: (1+ / 0-)
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          I just don't think he's sitting up late at night googling names.
          ...and he should receive a CV or something to approve before anything goes public.
          •  I hold him responsible for Warren, but this time (0+ / 0-)

            around I strongly suspect someone else dropped the ball.

            Particularly because this guy got dropped so fast.

            "Furthermore, if you think this would be the very very last cut ever if we let it happen, you are a very confused little rabbit." cai

            by JesseCW on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 03:47:14 PM PST

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      •  After the Rick Warren flap (2+ / 0-)
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        would you have thought he'd have tasked a responsible adult to overseeing this choice.

        "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."
        —Dan Savage

        by Scott Wooledge on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 12:14:37 PM PST

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    •  I'm gonna hazard a guess (5+ / 0-)

      that this may have been a screw-up of the Presidential Inaugural Committee and not Obama, personally.  But yes, Obama is ultimately responsible for everything the administration does.

      Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

      by winsock on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:23:45 AM PST

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      •  Yes or the Pres or his Chief of Staff trusted (3+ / 0-)
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        the chair to do the research and I wonder if the chair vouched for him and they took the chair's word for it and trusted the chair of the committee.  I think President Obama may be finding out his chair needs to be told to do better research and get their act together.  I think he trusted the chair to do this and the chair flubbed up but Obama signed off on it.

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        by wishingwell on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:38:14 AM PST

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      •  So President Obama get the credit for booting (3+ / 0-)
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        ..the guy, right?

        But yes, Obama is ultimately responsible for everything the administration does.
        I wonder if we'll see diaries about correcting mistakes?

        "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

        by sebastianguy99 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:51:39 AM PST

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        •  I do give credit (3+ / 0-)
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          for booting the guy (even though officially, it was the pastor who withdrew his name) -- and credit to Obama by extension.  It would have been worse had the PIC acknowledged awareness of the Pastor's positions and yet retained him, effectively endorsing his views.  I'll take the PIC's word that they were not aware of anything amiss at the time of initial selection.

          Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

          by winsock on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:07:28 AM PST

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          •  ...yes, "by extension". Got it. n/t (0+ / 0-)

            "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

            by sebastianguy99 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:09:29 AM PST

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        •  You're really arguing it both ways (1+ / 0-)
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          which is just pointless. Sure he gets credit for booting him. He also then takes responsibility for the incompetent vetting. It took a blogger ten minutes with the Google to find a deal breaker.

          Cheers, he stepped up and corrected an error that shouldn't be made by competent people.

          "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."
          —Dan Savage

          by Scott Wooledge on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 12:18:12 PM PST

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        •  Except that Obama didn't boot the guy, he (1+ / 0-)
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          withdrew.  Would Obama have booted the guy had he not withdrawn on his own, well I guess we will probably never know for sure.

          You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

          by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 12:26:12 PM PST

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    •  I am thinking whomever is in charge of the (10+ / 0-)

      inauguration made this decision, the President trusted him or her to make the choice without knowing much about this member of the clergy.  I think the President needs to be clear with whomever is making these decisions and in charge to consult with him first and do more extensive research before extending invitations.

      I am thinking with all that is on the POTUS plate right now...and how busy he is...he needs to be clearer to his inaugural chair and whomever extends invites, what he expects, wants and really tear into the people doing the research for these errors.  This was a stupid blunder by the inaugural chair.

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      by wishingwell on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:26:09 AM PST

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      •  So completely tone deaf (0+ / 0-)

        As if discrimination and hatred were not the first things they should check.

        The incidence of truly awful ideologies among many such "pastors" is nearly 100%.

        I would think that even the most obtuse and straightest of functionaries might have seen this one coming.

        Weirdly stupid invitation, especially since the folks who go to those churches are not big supporters of the Democratic Party. What on earth would inviting one of these guys buy Obama?

        •  I mean, in truth (1+ / 0-)
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          if you're going to fish in the Christian fundamentalist waters, there's a lot of sharks.

          Homophobia is a given.

          But too, so are "women asked for rape" and "women should serve their men" and other pretty sexist crap. And there's "God doesn't love the Jews..." (think McCain's Hagee) and bizarre holocaust theories. There are still underlying racism (remember the fundie church that made the news recently for not marrying mixed race couples?).

          If you're bound and determined to honor a "born again," vet that person very thoroughly, because they talk a lot of crazy shit in those circles. I'm not saying they all do, but many.

          "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."
          —Dan Savage

          by Scott Wooledge on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 12:24:41 PM PST

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      •  Lets hope they get other (0+ / 0-)

        difficulties from 4 years ago fixed.

        Like more directional signage, no tunnels of doom, no people being shoved into the path of on coming subways (which we witnessed the rescue of), no out of control cops.  

    •  This is the interesting thing too.... (2+ / 0-)
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      "Where does he dig them up?"

      These people aren't even well known to the left.

      There are leaders who are!

      Gene Robinson.

      How about Rev. Barber that runs the NC NAACP?

      How about pulling a nun off the bus? (Or would the Vatican invade over that?)

      What would be so terrible about rewarding one of our own with the spotlight?

      "The marriage fight is over when we say it's over, and it's over when we win."
      —Dan Savage

      by Scott Wooledge on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 12:13:57 PM PST

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