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  •  Further, its an insult to Americans (9+ / 0-)

    to put these people on the podium during an Inauguration.  I was incredibly insulted by their choice of Rick Warren for the last one.  WTH? Pretty shocking.

    Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

    by Betty Pinson on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:20:24 AM PST

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    •  The fact that they already had the problem (5+ / 0-)

      with Warren and the fact that he has gone on to support Uganda's anti-gay policies as well as that other guy from South Carolina even before Warren - that they didn't think, "Hey, let's make sure this next one isn't on record hating gay people," just blows me away.  Hello!

      •  They come off looking like lunatics (8+ / 0-)

        Call me old fashioned, but these kinds of celebrity preachers are inappropriate for this.  It just looks cheap and tacky.  

        The bigotry is icing on the cake.

        Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

        by Betty Pinson on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:27:51 AM PST

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        •  They don't really get what's going on (5+ / 0-)

          in those mega churches.  I wonder if it would make a difference to them that the only difference between Amway and these mega churches is what's being marketed?

          •  So it's ok to bash mega churches? (0+ / 0-)

            I have family that are members of mega churches and they couldn't be more Progressive.

            I do not think bashing all mega churches is a Progressive value. It makes us as small as those who use religion for oppression.

            We are going to find it hard to win if we insult all mega churches.

            "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

            by sebastianguy99 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:48:52 AM PST

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            •  LOL - sorry. (0+ / 0-)

              I haven't come across a mega church yet that isn't about money.

              As for whether or not we will win if we do or do not insult mega churches - well, all I can say is that that is one of many, many, many reasons why I happen to think that mixing religion and government is such a toxic and dangrous formula for both politicians and preachers.

              •  Wow. Ok. (0+ / 0-)

                So much irony in your comment.

                Do you attend a mega church? How many have you visited? All churches run on money. This site runs on money. So what?

                Again, if you believe that we are going to advance a Progressive agenda without any votes from members of mega churches, you are incorrect.

                "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

                by sebastianguy99 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:26:12 AM PST

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                •  Okay wow - religion and politics is (1+ / 0-)
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                  a toxic mix.

                  But here goes...

                  I've been following the Evangelical mega church movement for about 35 years.  I've actually taken the time to listen to entire sermons - listen to Christian radio and I don't have to go to one because so many are on TV.  One of my favorites was Dr. James Kennedy at Coral Ridge who every Sunday morning showed a video that totally twisted and misrepresented American Revolutionary history.  He was awesome.  A lying POS through and through who took money and used it to live a very comfortable life and also for productions that ginned up hatred and xenophobia in the name of Jesus.

                  The mega church culture is about money - people are selected to be included based on their zip codes and bank accounts.  That's how they fund their big churches and they talk people out of their money by preaching elitism, exclusion and fear.

                  People said Rick Warren was enlightened and a good guy - turns out NOT SO MUCH.  These people come along and for a while appear to be "okay" and inevitably the truth comes out.  I just still haven't heard of one yet that hasn't been exposed as exactly what I described above.

                  The very best church I ever saw was a replica of a Medieval three-sided thatched structure in the south coast of England that was shoulder width, about two feet deep and had a pointed top - enough room for one person to go in and talk to God - directly.  No flash and trash lighting - big video screens - sound system or anything.  Just a place to commune with a higher power.  While I appreciate the sense of community that many people enjoy in their worship-related activities, if you really need more than that thatched hut to prove your piety, I have to wonder why.

                  But the great thing - for now anyway - is that I can't tell anyone else how to worship or what to think from a religious standpoint.  The one thing that I do think is reasonable for people like me to ask of my government is if they are going to make the mistake of mixing religion with politics that they do so in a most neutral and universal way.  Showcasing people who hate gays or anybody else would NOT be neutral by my standards.  Well, and not showcasing liars would also be great, but politicians have a high tolerance for that sort of thing so that might be too much to ask.

                  •  So the answers are "no". You didn't need the rest. (0+ / 0-)

                    Thanks for the dialogue.

                    "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

                    by sebastianguy99 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 02:15:16 PM PST

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                    •  FWIW - there are more "progressives" (0+ / 0-)

                      and "liberals" - you know that pesky base of the Democratic Party - who are committed to the separation of church and state - some religious and some not so much - than there are evangelical mega church acolytes who support the Democratic Party.

                      The notion that the Democratic Party should pander to the mega church crowd to the exclusion of all others - which is what people like Warren and Gigilo represent in their hateful views - under this diverse tent - and not for nothing in the broader context of this DIVERSE country - by giving the ONE religious moment during the Inauguration to their hateful leadership is, frankly, beyond the pale.

                      If you want those people's votes, go work for the Republicans.  They are perfectly willing to do whatever it takes including sacrificing gay people, women, hispanics, black people, et al in order to pander to those religious voters and their gurus.

                      I'm fed up with the Democratic Party giving this minority religion-based voting block so much power.  Giving that power to them.  I don't mind deference and respect, but when these people keep being picked to lead the entire nation in prayer at a political event knowing that they are working against the civil rights of other people in this country because they are not like them - then you've crossed a very serious line.  Personally, I think it is unAmerican, but at the very least it is not what the Democratic Party is about - or should be about - infecting our party with that strain will diminish our ranks not expand them - and that exclusionary intolerance is not what the Democratic won this last election on, either.  The votes you so desperately seek to maintain power are not going to and did not come from this crowd.

            •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

              The problem I've always had with mega churches is that they're non-denominational.  They don't belong to an organized religious community that has commonly agreed-upon canons and internal boards or committees that discuss and debate religious beliefs.  IOW, they don't have peer review.  They also have no accountability to anyone.

              They have charismatic leaders who just sort of make up their own religious beliefs and biblical interpretations according to what suits them individually.  That's why its so embarrassing when these idiots get up and start spouting off their pop-religion ideas at an Inauguration.

              Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

              by Betty Pinson on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:22:50 AM PST

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              •  Ok, that is your belief. (0+ / 0-)

                I know the pointlessness of discussing religion on DK which is not at representative of the country when it comes to religion.

                My point is do not alienate people who vote our way which includes any of attend churches of all sizes. It's math, not religion.

                Be Well Betty!

                "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

                by sebastianguy99 on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:30:41 AM PST

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              •  My last experience (0+ / 0-)

                with a non-denominational church was 1970s-80s; there was no single charismatic leader, but rather a team approach, and at that time the church was more intent on teaching and less on preaching...sermons were more like lectures, looking at Bible passages both in the context of the era and going back to the original Hebrew and Greek. Not sure if they've changed their focus in the last 3-4 decades, but it certainly wasn't "check your brain at the door and pick up your crayons" as I've heard other fundamentalist mega-churches described.

                "If we ever needed to vote we sure do need to vote now" -- Rev. William Barber, NAACP

                by Cali Scribe on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:54:36 AM PST

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          •  These guys are nothing more than (3+ / 0-)
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            Religious Entrepreneurs.  Similar to Amway and other cults. But at least Amway detergent will get your clothes clean!

            In an insane society, the sane man would appear insane

            by TampaCPA on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 09:49:51 AM PST

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