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  •  The most dire consequence (4.00)
    of this whole situation, is that the war is spreading. Now India has suffered bombings.

    Muslims vs. Christians in a war of civilisations. Not a pretty picture.

    Will not be helped by the Flush the Quran sign posted by that church. Why didn't Scott Mclellan claim that it is not, in fact, the media or Newsweek, but the evangelical hardliners that are inflaming these passions and creating riots in the muslim world by leaving up that flush the quran sign?

    Someone with some vision here in the US needs to step up to the plate and offer some leadership for peace in the world!

    The people of the United States do not hate muslims. But the hard right wing evangelical Christians do. They hate anyone who isn't in their "abortion is the silent halocaust club". In fact they seem dead set on hating anyone who does not accept their "Christ".  And that means you and I and the muslims. This is a very flammable situation.

       These hard right wing evangelical Christians that Bush is exploting for political gain are becoming a huge problem as far as maintaining diplomacy here at home and abroad. They have a right to their opinion. But they do not have and should not have a monopoly on our government. See Kansas.

    spin positive... inspire change

    by missliberties on Sat May 28, 2005 at 09:25:44 PM PDT

    •  not a war of civlizations... (4.00)
       a war of fundamentalists.  call it like it is not like scared ass paranoid Americans call it.

      using that right winger dumbshit terminology is stupid.

      •  point taken (4.00)
        Your language is a little over the top.

        I know it is one way of expressing frustration, but too me, dumbshit, paranoid, ass, etc......feels a bit like a personal attack.

        Remember I am on your side. I am not the enemy. Please don't treat me that way.

        spin positive... inspire change

        by missliberties on Sun May 29, 2005 at 07:06:43 AM PDT

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      •  don't buy the smoke or the mirrors (4.00)
        this is neither a war of civilizations or a war of fundamentalists.  This is empire, pure and simple, marketed as a fundamentalist battle between good and evil.

        Every war needs a moral purpose to rally the masses and justify the cost in cash and human lives. Ask yourself if this is a war of fundamentalists, which most Americans certainly believe Afghanistan was, why did we invade a secular society that posed no ideological or military threat?

        •  We know that (none)
          but does the common man. Ask the hardliner evangelical Christians why they think we are fighting in Iraq. You know the ones with the sign that says "flush the quran".

          My opinion is that Iraq is a business deal gone bad.

          spin positive... inspire change

          by missliberties on Sun May 29, 2005 at 08:43:25 AM PDT

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          •  Yes indeed (none)
            I have no doubt that hard liners will put their support in terms of good and evil, whether they're neocons or self-professed Christians.  That's the root of manifest destiny, the fundamental belief that resources are ours for the taking because we are inherently better. The crusades, slavery, the slaughter of entire populations of indigenous people -  all justified as God's will. Manifest destiny hinges on the belief that we are right, which makes us better and therefore, more deserving.
            •  On the nose (none)
                Both Debraz and missliberties are hitting it right on the nose.

                Confessions of an Economic Hit Man by John Perkins fills in missliberties opinion: this is a deal gone bad in what was the key strategic piece of real estate in the Middle East. No just oil beneath the ground, but the Iraqi ground itself which is of prime tactical and missle importance. Iraq could have been the capstone of 35 years of eco-colonialism.  

                Manifest Destiny is the operational mode of the global corporatocracy, and the relationship between the American West and the whole Middle East (esp. Iraeli/Palestine) are startling. Genesis is the rational basis for American propaganda, a rationality long since gone mad.

              •  yes I read (none)
                that book and it went a long way in explaining US foreign policy!

                Economic blackmail is this Administrations modus operendi. They use it abroad, in Congress and on us poor working folk. (See arms sales to Uzbekistan, see implied threats and withholding funds for incorrigle liberal Senators, see Bankruptcy Bill)

                Most astonishing to me is pre-this Memorial Day weekend the Congress refused to pass an amendment that would have favored the troops and medical care.

                Bastards! No wonder bullying is such a problem in our schools. We are following the "Leader".

                spin positive... inspire change

                by missliberties on Sun May 29, 2005 at 03:45:34 PM PDT

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    •  What exactly do you mean... (none)
      when you say Now India has suffered bombings?

      If you are talking about the immediate past (like in the prior 7 days), there was a sectarian bombing in Pakistan, most likely Shia-Sunni conflict.

      Less proximately, India always has had religious tensions, primarily Hindu-Muslim, and that is not related to Iraq war or GWOT. There is also an upsurge of Hindu ire against foreign Christian church groups that are taking advantage of poverty in many backward areas to convert Hindus to Christianity. Of course majority of Hindus blame themselves primarily for not doing more to alleviate the social and economic burdens of these people, and therefore the fundamentalists ire is partially misguided.

      I am confused what your connection is when it comes to India.

      •  Sorry (none)
        meant the news yesterday. (Shouldn't stay up so late......) Bombings described as muslim vs christian.....! Not good!

        spin positive... inspire change

        by missliberties on Sun May 29, 2005 at 07:03:42 AM PDT

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