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  •  There were not several armed people. (8+ / 0-)

    There was one man who came out during the struggle.  He could not tell who the shooter was and he did not draw his weapon.  Three unarmed people tackled jared Loughner as he attempted to reload.

    AZ is a concealed carry state for almost anyone, training or not, so perhaps that's where this rumor began about several armed people in the crowd.  It's just not so.

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    by Desert Rose on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 05:00:20 PM PST

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    •  Thanks for the correction (9+ / 0-)

      I had read there was more than one person in the crowd with a gun, but I'll take your word for it.  Either way, the point stands.  The need to reload is what helped bring the shooter down, not a gun.

      •  That is the take away lesson, for sure. (5+ / 0-)

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        by Desert Rose on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 04:00:15 AM PST

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        •  Well, it was the slowness of the reload. (0+ / 0-)

          Something you can try at home, if you have one of those wooden knife set holders:

          Take all the knives out of the block and set them aside.

          Take a paring knife about at long as the distance between the tip of your index finger to the heel of your hand, and take a long knife about a foot in total length.

          Take the paring knife and hold it in your hand, handle at the heel and with the tip of the knife even with the tip of your index finger. Edge away from the skin, please. Now slowly make the motion of inserting the paring knife into the wood block by pointing your index finger at the end of the target hole, touching the tip of that finger to the block (which aligns the tip of the blade with the hole) and push the paring knife into the slot. That's a fairly simple feat of dexterity, when you use the physical mnemonics of putting the tip of the finger at the edge of the slot and then just pushing in. If you had a grip on the wood block in such a way that you could just put finger tip next to a knuckle, you could put that paring knife into the slot without looking at all. You could get pretty quick at the no-look insertion of the paring knife if you practiced.

          Now take the long knife. You cannot hold it in the same manner, because it's much longer. The physical mnemonics do not work the same way. You HAVE to look at the tip of the long knife blade. You HAVE to look also at the slot on the wood block. You HAVE to also look at the angle of the blade and the orientation of it, to align it with the slot. These extra requirements take extra time and concentration. These extra requirements do not disappear with practice.

          Loughner used the long stick magazines, adding extra time and concentration to his reload that would not have been there had he used the standard paring knife size magazine for that pistol.

          We got lucky. We have all heard of the idiot who holds up the bank and writes the stickup note on one of his household bills, and we are glad that the guy's mistake meant a benefit for the rest of us. Well, loughner's idiocy in using the cumbersome long stick magazine meant a benefit for the rest of us, in that his choice created the delay that others used to tackle him. We got lucky.

          It's safe to trust a sane person with the keys to nuclear weapons, but it's not safe to trust an insane person with the cleaners under the kitchen sink.

          by JayFromPA on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 03:57:57 PM PST

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