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  •  What stops bad guys? It all depends. (0+ / 0-)

    911 tape (I did not listen, only read the article) of a home invasion in Atlanta where the assailant broke through 3 doors with a crowbar, determined to reach a woman and her children.

    The family is traumatized, but they are still alive -- and not because of distractions or creative engagement.

    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/...

    It's just not simple, and that's what so much of the fighting is about.

    YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

    by raincrow on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 06:23:52 PM PST

    •  Are you sure the assailant was planning (6+ / 0-)

      To kill them all? Possibly, but we'll never know... You can't say this family is alive "because they had a gun".

      A few weeks back, some guy shot his own son, who was playing a prank, dressed in a ninja suit at night... It is indeed not simple. You can find an anecdote to support just about any conclusion... What matters most are the statistics... the number of people killed by guns in the US is appalling. If I was planning a vacation to some foreign country, and they had similar stats, you'd think a war was on.

      Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

      by walk2live on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 10:26:02 PM PST

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    •  So what? (0+ / 0-)

      Did she use an AR-15? With a 30 or 50-round clip? No, she used a .38 handgun.

      You know, a handgun, which no one (except the NRA, only to stoke fear) has proposed banning or taking away.

      This story is a distraction from the matter at hand: whether or not we should do something about weapons that facilitate murderous rampages, and if so, what.

      No, it isn't simple, but exteraneous data points such as this story being assumed to be the source of the fighting is false. The NRA has fed these meaningless complictions into the debate, not because they edify but because they confuse, by not merely comparing apples with oranges but comparing crabapples with grapefruit. They hope that the confusion they broadcast will help maintain what is an unsustainable status quo.

      A winning campaign? You didn't build that...

      by SilentBrook on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 12:45:41 PM PST

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      •  And I'm sorry to have inconvenienced you, too. (0+ / 0-)

        You are more concerned about rampages, which are statistically very rare per capita (even in a godawful year like this).

        I am more concerned about everyday gun violence.

        I can see how this may have been a distraction.

        YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

        by raincrow on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 01:11:23 PM PST

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        •  I doubt it. (0+ / 0-)

          You say your concern is about "everyday gun violence", but your post was about a home invasion. As frequent as such occurances may have become, they hardly merit inclusion in a discussion of "everyday gun violence" (or at least no more so than rampages).

          Your post is a "distraction" from both rampages and "everyday gun violence", to focus on a much smaller subset of violent crime. And the only inconvienience you provide is to those of us who actually seek clarity regarding these issues rather than flim-flammery, misdirection & a steadfast refusal to address reasonable issues your first post ignores.

          Perhaps you might tell us why you are so reluctant to respond in a non-dismissive manner when all you've done is plant a NRA flag in the diary (RBKA disgust for the NRA notwithstanding).

          Not holding my breath.

          A winning campaign? You didn't build that...

          by SilentBrook on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 02:20:38 PM PST

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