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  •  Every time someone brings up vets (7+ / 0-)

    I want to point out that way too many of them have PTSD, TBI, etc.  Thanks for your friend's take, it corresponds completely with my experience in critical care during codes. You don't just go through a 2 day certification class and become competent to run a real code. The first one is almost always observation or recorder. After a few more you may actually have the control to run one.

    And that is in a situation where only one person is dead, rarely bloody, and no one is shooting bullets at people. If you and the rest of the crew get sloppy on protocol, you could get zapped when the defibrillator is fired. That is entirely in your own control.

    Put in the shooter, gun, bullets flying, blood, etc. the confusion and stress are increased exponentially. The level of training and control needed goes up as much.

    I want to ask some of these people what they are really afraid of. Some actually bring up the conspiracies, FEMA camps, etc. My defusing humor is that if we could speed up the legalization of marijuana, the whole country might mellow out...  (Disclaimer: the only experience I have is a couple brownies, in the mid 70's, which added nothing to the JD I had drunk.)

    "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

    by Ginny in CO on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 12:47:57 AM PST

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    •  As a Coloradoan you undoubtedly know (3+ / 0-)
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      there have been a number of murders by vets in and around Colorado Springs.  This city is home to Fort Carson, a primary training facility for those sent to Iraq and Afghanistan, so there are many vets there who have come home from the Middle East with PTSD and other damage.  They are an unsuitable group to be working around kids while fully armed.  To say the very least.

      •  I haven't paid as much attention this past (0+ / 0-)

        18 months due to my own problems. My experiences as an RN with vets spans 37 years and 4 states. I had been following a lot of the Fort Carson Iraq and Afghanistan vet reports, issues, etc.

        Like the Nam vets of my generation, and WWII of my parents; the mangled bodies, lives, souls and families are an ongoing cause I try to keep up with - if only to keep my Congress critters and others paying attention, voting for more funding, benefits, outreach, etc.

        I get caught between fury and tears because of what happens to these guys who wanted to do the right thing for their country (and ours).  Some are all too aware they aren't reliable and can do stuff ranging from being lousy family members to killing people. Others are too traumatized and brain damaged to understand much more than their life is destroyed and they are a burden to their families. Some just pull it out every day - they discipline themselves, get to counseling, classes, and whatever else is on the schedule.

        Had an RN student 3 years ago this summer who was excellent and I think will do really well. But he sure had battles every day, and won them routinely. Patients really liked and respected him, as did the other students. It was a 2 year program and he was planning to go on as far as a masters. I think he was 23 or 24.

        There are plenty who just want to pick up the pieces of their lives, put them back together and keep going.

        The idea is potentially dangerous and strikes me as ungrateful. They've done a lot, many in very dangerous circumstances with major problems for the rest of their lives. Many had support jobs that did not involve combat training or experience. This seems to put them all in one category and so desperate for a job they will take anything offered. I think they deserve to have a good GI Bill and the opportunity to use it to go a lot farther than elementary school guard if they can. It's what my dad, uncle and father in law did.

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 05:56:04 PM PST

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        •  Thanks for your long response (0+ / 0-)

          If I interpret correctly, you agree this is an inappropriate placement for people who have come home traumatized by war.  They need all the support they can get to find a place in society where they can be productive and useful and that will not trigger their past experiences.

    •  When people bring up vets, (2+ / 0-)
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      I think of some of the guys I served with, whom I would never trust with a kid or a gun, much less a combination of the two.

      I don't care what the right wing says - putting on a uniform does not make you a hero.

      They are not  all Gomer Pyle or Tim McVeigh (another veteran!) - many are a combination of the two, though most are nothing like either.

      I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

      by trumpeter on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 10:30:11 AM PST

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      •  It is a very mixed group. I certainly (0+ / 0-)

        would expect if any wanted the job and could meet all the (stringent) requirements, they would not be excluded for unsubstantiated fear of being tainted by their service. As I explained in my comment to Heart of the Rockies, they deserve to choose a path they want to take and have the financial support to achieve the education needed, not get tossed a low level job that could be mostly boring.

        BTW, I come from a non-religious family that loves puns and word jokes. Your sig was a great hit for the Christmas gathering. ;)

        "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

        by Ginny in CO on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 06:07:59 PM PST

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