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  •  Look, i actually thought your little piece was (0+ / 0-)

    informative. i did not like the flip tone at the end..."asess that". I know plenty of people with guns. i got a BIL who has a concealed carry permit in ME for no good reason that I can determine except he doesn't like some of the mean dogs in the very rural neighborhood.For me, I'll just plain say it; i don't like guns. I don't like people having them. The stats just aren't there to support having a weapon in the home for protection; the overwhelming likelihood is that the weapon will be used on a family member, and the mostlikely person to murder someone is a family member. BUt we are stuck with this 2nd amendment and that is difficult for those of us who feel that guns should just be illegal except for clearly defined reasons ( hunting, limited self security, limited private security ) and that ownership should be a privilege like driving. A privilege that can be easily denied or revoked. Having said that, I know that I do not live in such a country. But the current situation is untenable, and there is nothing in the Constitution that prevents reasonable gun control laws. By the way I have been attacked by rabid right wingers too. One threw a walker at me in the park and another swung his cane at me in the supermarket. Frankly, Jay, I feel safer at the Philly zoo, where I spent many hours with my kids ( and the neighborhood ain't great ) than in some of those rural areas of PA. I hope you never have to fire your weapons.

    •  About that flip tone. (0+ / 0-)
      I assess student threats (3+ / 0-)

      one time, a couple of middle school kids were planning to take the gun from the cop during lunchtime and shoot up the place....one kid was to distract him while the other went for the gun...I am not making this up.

      I read that and on the strength of one hour actually learning about the anti-"go for the gun" measures involved in duty holsters I 'assessed' the likelihood of success as 'unlikely'.

      Your assessment may have been off, because of your ignorance. And the assessment of the danger of guns made by many people is also exaggerated by their ignorance. It's well documented the times that having a gun in the house allows a person to fuck up and create a dead body, but that's because there's a dead body. What's not so well documented is the number of times that having a gun in the house allows a person to halt an attack without creating any dead bodies. Just because the bodies are documented doesn't me that the undocumented avoided bodies aren't more in number.

      It's safe to trust a sane person with the keys to nuclear weapons, but it's not safe to trust an insane person with the cleaners under the kitchen sink.

      by JayFromPA on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 02:05:28 AM PST

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      •  Again Jay, my assessment determines intent (0+ / 0-)

        not success. If you are serious about getting a suitcase bomb, you require further evaluation. Even though you are not going to get such a weapon. You will likely move on to something more attainable, like a handgun. I just want you to know what we are up against in the schools on a daily basis; most threats are utter bullshit, a few are real but unlikely to be carried out, and a few happen. We've had incidents in my school district where I work. One involved automatic weapons. Two kids shot, survived. Another involved a stabbing. Kid survived ( barely through the use of a trauma center airlift ). Kids can be cagey. I had two guys in a detention center go to a hearing, steal the social worker's keys and drive from Jersey City to Harrisburg PA before getting caught.

        •  And your assessment is colored by your knowledge. (0+ / 0-)

          Seriously, don't you get that?

          I read you using this dogwhistle...

          We've had incidents in my school district where I work. One involved automatic weapons. Two kids shot, survived.
          Automatic weapons. Why do you use the adjective? Does the adjective describe the weapon the way you think it does? Well, the policy wonk in me says you are likely just regurgitating a phrase that was fed to you, without you even realizing it. First, you likely mean "semi automatic" and not really "automatic". So score one point for misuse of a term that actually matters when discussing policy. And whenever the discussion ventures anywhere near the intersection of schools and guns it is a safe bet that policy is in the back of people's minds.

          I'm nearly forty years old. Semi-automatic firearms are older than me.
          My grandfather was born in 1903. Semi-automatic firearms are older than him.

          So when you make assessments and toss around "automatic weapons", are you or are you not just a little more concerned because of the phrase that you are using, when it actually has no bearing on the weapon at hand?

          Seriously, semi-auto weapons are older than the ice cream scoop, older than the invention of candy corn. People had semi-auto weapons before flyswatters existed. There were folks that had been wearing semi-automatic weapons on their belt for years before the thumbtack came along.

          And yet the judgement you use to assess things is colored by "automatic weapons", as if they were somehow worthy of being singled out special. Semi-auto handguns are a solid 120 years old. Semi auto shotguns are a hair younger at 115. But the actual automatic weapons, full auto, have been around for 129 years.

          So it's silly to get more worked up over a kid's threat to use "automatic weapons" versus a kid's threat to use "weapons".

          Jeez, it's people who don't know when to get worked up and when not to get worked up who call the cops because a six year old is having a tantrum and throws the pencils. Call the cops for that? Really?

          I'm going to keep the flip tone until I stop seeing people on the left spit out dogwhistle terms and phrases that were fed to them by the media.

          It's safe to trust a sane person with the keys to nuclear weapons, but it's not safe to trust an insane person with the cleaners under the kitchen sink.

          by JayFromPA on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 02:23:47 PM PST

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