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  •  As I recall, Heinlein's philosophy was (7+ / 0-)

    pretty much congruent with Ayn Rand's. After all what was Moon is a Harsh Mistress but John Galt in space.

    Heinlein did write better books, however.

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    by jan4insight on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 08:52:13 PM PST

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    •  Not at all (2+ / 0-)
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      The society described in Moon is just one of many that Heinlein imagined, and, like all the others, was not meant to be read uncritically as a blueprint for Utopia.

      Moon in particular was one of his dystopia/revolution books; he was most emphatically not endorsing the pre-revolution government or its policies, even those which the central character takes for granted.

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      by kyril on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 11:57:35 PM PST

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      •  Quoth Heinlein; (6+ / 0-)
        I would say that my position is not too far from that of Ayn Rand's; that I would like to see government reduced to no more than internal police and courts, external armed forces — with the other matters handled otherwise.
        From an interview.

        I agree otherwise; Moon was just one book among many, and different visions of the just society can be found elsewhere, from the quasi-fascism of Starship Troopers to the free love commune of Stranger in a Strange Land.  He was good at that sort of thing.

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        by quillsinister on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 02:09:21 AM PST

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        •  He says that... (2+ / 0-)
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          but then he writes the most brilliantly dystopic libertarian paradises in Moon and Coventry.

          (Coventry in particular is an incredibly insightful rendering of what would happen if, in essence, all the Democrats left to form our utopia and left the the Midwest to the Republicans and Libertarians, government-free, to sort things out amongst themselves. It's not pretty. He's quite easily able to foresee the dominance of religious cults and feudal lords and the fact that most people in a libertarian society are emphatically not free.)

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          by kyril on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 06:47:37 AM PST

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          •  That came up in Moon as well (1+ / 0-)
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            The Prof was all for pushing a non-government government, and suggested as much to the committee that was setting up the constitution. But Heinlein also was pragmatic in the story - rugged individualism in the book has limits (hence line families for stability) and the revolution wouldn't have worked without a benign enlightened monarch figure. I've always wondered if the masses had known about it, would they have kept the computer in charge?

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            by Solarian on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:01:57 AM PST

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    •  It was, (0+ / 0-)

      but with Heinlein you had a much higher degree of pragmatism.  He explored a lot of possibilities rather than preaching a fixed program, and he was willing and able to admit that a lot of them would lead to undesirable consequences.  For his take on man as a necessarily social animal, see Coventry, in which an idealistic individualist discovers just what life is really like in a world without social rules and institutions.

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