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  •  I did not... (2+ / 0-)

    ... compare owning firearms to child porn. I own firearms.

    I compared 30-round magazines - and higher- (and the gun lobby's protection of them) to child porn.

    We have a generally-accepted societal need for restricting the 1st amendment, specifically some aspects of free speech. Child porn was the most offensive I could think of. Treasonous sharing of national security secrets is another... not protected by amendment #1.

    Likewise, we have a societal need to restrict some aspects of the 2nd amendment.

    •  It's like ... (4+ / 0-)

      You make a great point, then BLAM!

      There it is:

      There. Child porn is the equivalent of 30-round magazines. Some things are not acceptable. Even Constitutional Rights have sensible limits.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 11:24:17 PM PST

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    •  Okay ... I'll flesh it out. (7+ / 0-)

      First, a 30 round magazine might be offensive, but it is not like child porn. It is a legal product, and child porn brings nasty consequences for the victim and the perp.

      In this debate it helps to think about your audience, who you are trying to reach and how reading your words might affect them.

      I am on the side of strict gun-control, and am well able to see your point ... and I reacted badly to the wording.

      Imagine how responsible gun owners will react. It will not be pretty and anything useful they may have gleaned from the Diary is lost.

      Perception counts, and I fear this will be perceived badly, even if that is missing the point.

      I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
      but I fear we will remain Democrats.

      Who is twigg?

      by twigg on Thu Jan 10, 2013 at 11:29:39 PM PST

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      •  Now you see the antis true colours Twigg, they (7+ / 0-)

        have no qualms about using any insulting demeaning or degrading thing they can spew as long  as they get their way....

        How many Democrats do you think this will help elect to office?

        I know your answer and this isnt you....This is however what many of us fight.

        I did tr the tip jar but I am pulling it just so it doesnt give anyone a reason to uprate....

        Hell they are calling you an idiot and you are basically on their side.  This is exactly why we call them ghouls when they stand on the grave of a child to attempt to pass pet gun control legislation that has nothing to do with the tragedy at hand.

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 12:38:57 AM PST

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      •  It reflects very poorly on the community. (6+ / 0-)

        Comments in diaries get read by lots of people and not just those on this site. While the diarist was clear in defining what they were comparing, a 30 magazine and child pornography, the message that was communicated was very different.

        Who owns 30 round magazines? I'll go out on a limb here and take a guess that a significant majority of 30 magazines are owned by people who have no interest or inclination to commit a crime with them. Now who owns child pornography? I will stay out on the limb and say people who have an interest and inclination to have sex with children, which is a crime.

        From my perspective this diarist has just told me that there is no difference between me and a paedophile.  Fuck them.

        You eat a lot of acid, Miller, back in the hippie days?

        by oldpunk on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 01:04:16 AM PST

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    •  I own (7+ / 0-)

      two 25 round magazines for my 10/22.
      You just compared me to a pedophile.
      Pound sand.

      "Everything I do is blown out of proportion. It really hurts my feelings." - Paris Hilton

      by kestrel9000 on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 04:38:31 AM PST

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