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  •  You can hide behind (5+ / 0-)

    the 2nd all that you want but you must realize that ultimately this all comes down to your hobby vs innocent lives. The data is out there from other countries that have enforced gun restrictions - less people die. It really is that simple.

    •  It is not my hobby, it is my right....just as (0+ / 0-)

      valuable as my right to speak out on this forum or my right to vote or my right to have my own religion or none.  It is really that simple.

      Other countries do not have near the population that we do, they do not have a Constitutional right to bear arms and never did and do not have the amount of weapons within their borders that we do, nor did they have near as many private gun owners as we have.

       No data anywhere can prove that anything being proposed would stop even one mass murder here, much less decrease guns in this country.   Our country has a unique situation and any proposal must look to our own issues of protecting our constitutional rights all the while finding ways that would go after those who would commit mass murders....however they would choose to kill, regardless if it is a bomb to a building or a gun.

      •  It's your arm. Keep your arm. Like you promised. (0+ / 0-)

        If you don't keep it for whatever reason, why would that responsibility fall on me.

        Sign my White House Petition Enforce the KEEP in the Second Amendment We don't have a problem with gun control, we have a problem with gun owners controlling their guns.

        by 88kathy on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:52:34 AM PST

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          •  Is the shot gun owner in the recent school (0+ / 0-)

            shooting going to be held criminally and civilly responsible.

            No.

            The responsibility for failure to KEEP fell on me (society).

            Sign my White House Petition Enforce the KEEP in the Second Amendment We don't have a problem with gun control, we have a problem with gun owners controlling their guns.

            by 88kathy on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:05:28 AM PST

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            •  The shop gun owner sold to a person who had every (0+ / 0-)

              legal right to own a gun, thus he had no responsibility....he followed the laws as they pertained to him as a gun shop owner.

               That gun was then stolen.  She is dead, and the gun was illegally taken and used.  We know very little about the situation at that house.  For all we know, he might have broken them out of a gun safe or pried off gun locks.

              Perhaps you should direct your anger to the murderer and criminal who could have used any weapon of choice including a gun, a match or a home made bomb for that matter.  It was the responsibility of the murderer for the crimes that happen.  

              •  No I was talking about the one that just happened (0+ / 0-)

                yesterday, the 16 year old shot 2 people, one critical air lifted.

                That kid had a shot gun he got somewhere.

                Sign my White House Petition Enforce the KEEP in the Second Amendment We don't have a problem with gun control, we have a problem with gun owners controlling their guns.

                by 88kathy on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 01:48:08 PM PST

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              •  PS here is the school shooting I was talking (0+ / 0-)

                about

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                Here is today's new story. Another school shooting

                TAFT, Calif. (AP) — A 16-year-old student armed with a shotgun walked into a rural California high school on Thursday, shot one student and fired at others and missed before a teacher and another staff member talked him into surrendering, officials said.

                Sign my White House Petition Enforce the KEEP in the Second Amendment We don't have a problem with gun control, we have a problem with gun owners controlling their guns.

                by 88kathy on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 02:18:07 PM PST

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                •  Well, he didn't buy it from a gun shop, he's a (0+ / 0-)

                  minor....and that's illegal.

                   So, no the gun shop owner would not be responsible, unless he sold a minor a gun, then the gun owner would be in a heap of trouble.

                  •  Somebody owned the gun. Even if the kid stole the (0+ / 0-)

                    gun. Or if the kid bought a stolen gun.  However far it goes back.  That person should not be off the hook.  The last legal owner of that gun would be responsible.  

                    Because the last legal owner of that gun did not keep the gun away from harming society.

                    I know that is hard to swallow.  But why should anyone else pick up the cost?

                    Sign my White House Petition Enforce the KEEP in the Second Amendment We don't have a problem with gun control, we have a problem with gun owners controlling their guns.

                    by 88kathy on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 03:53:06 PM PST

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                  •  Just as there is no crying in baseball, there is (0+ / 0-)

                    no oopsie in gun keeping.

                    Sign my White House Petition Enforce the KEEP in the Second Amendment We don't have a problem with gun control, we have a problem with gun owners controlling their guns.

                    by 88kathy on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 03:54:50 PM PST

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