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  •  Diary up (6+ / 0-)

    here.

    Comments suggest that Carte Goodwin, who filled in for 6 months of Robert Byrd's term, might be a good Dem nominee, but it's a pretty Republican state.

    Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

    by blue aardvark on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:43:38 AM PST

    •  Rockefeller was the best we'll ever get from WV (3+ / 0-)

      He's a Dem who isn't corrupt, is well educated and experienced and not a right winger/DLC/ThirdWay/Boll Weevil Dem.

      It will be great if Dems can keep his seat there, but aren't the odds against electing one that doesn't vote with the GOP all the time?

      That said, good luck to WVa Dems, you have a lot of work ahead of you.  

      Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

      by Betty Pinson on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:03:17 AM PST

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      •  I believe in weighted averages on votes (2+ / 0-)
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        If we can get 40% of the important votes that is much better than 5%.

        And that vote for "Senate Majority Leader" is normally the most important one of the session. Imagine how much slowness the Turtle could impose if he had Reid's job.

        Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

        by blue aardvark on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:07:26 AM PST

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        •  Problem with that theory (2+ / 0-)
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          blue aardvark, rlochow

          Is the Blue Dogs/Third Way/DLC/Boll Weevil/Asshats usually vote with the GOP on the most important votes.

          Idiots like Mary Landrieu, Max Baucus and others are always screwing up good legislation like Health Care Reform, Tax Reform, etc.    The only time they seem to vote with Dems is on legislation that doesn't really matter.

          Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

          by Betty Pinson on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:22:29 AM PST

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          •  Check Progressive Punch (1+ / 0-)
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            Wizardryo

            They have a rating table including "critical" votes. Critical votes are ones where the majority of progressive bellwethers (they have a list) vote one way and the majority of the GOP votes another - no post office namings included.

            Senate

            Worst Dem now Baucus (63% on lifetime critical votes), best GOP now Collins (28%). Many not rated at all because they are Freshmen. Median Dem Stabenow (88%). Median GOP Toomey (3%). So even bad Democrats are about 20 times as likely to vote correctly on critical votes.

            House

            It gets muddier in the House, as there is actually a small amount of overlap. The best Republican is Thomas Massie (KY-4) at 40%, while the worst Democrat is John Barrow (38%). However, the median Democrat is still at 80%, while the median Republican is about 4%. Again, even very bad Democrats are 10x better than typical Republicans.

            Economics is a social *science*. Can we base future economic decisions on math?

            by blue aardvark on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:38:27 AM PST

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            •  Look at the money votes (0+ / 0-)

              Votes on budget, taxes, big gov't expenditures.

              That's where you see their true colors.

              if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

              by SouthernLiberalinMD on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:54:58 AM PST

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            •  Here's the problem w/ Blue Dogs (0+ / 0-)

              They may end up voting w/ Dems on critical legislation, but thanks to them it ends up being watered down.

              When the legislation/budgets, etc. are drawn up, the Blue Dogs fight tooth and nail until its watered down until it meets their conservative ideology or demands of their wealthy donors.

              In the end they'll vote on the bill, but the bill is much worse thanks to their efforts.

              Democratic Leaders must be very clear they stand with the working class of our country. Democrats must hold the line in demanding that deficit reduction is done fairly -- not on the backs of the elderly, the sick, children and the poor.

              by Betty Pinson on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 11:06:14 AM PST

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      •  Rockefeller is too rich to be corrupt (1+ / 0-)
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        blue aardvark

        You can't bribe a man who is worth billions

        Obama-Biden in 2012: four more years!

        by Frederik on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:29:54 AM PST

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    •  I'm not totally sold on W.Va's redness (4+ / 0-)
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      MRobDC, blue aardvark, Cederico, betelgeux

      not once you get beyond Presidential contests.

      We might never see anyone as reasonable as Rockefeller - but there's a reason why there is a statewide tilt toward the blue team in elected officials. It isn't purely because of putting the likes of Manchin on a ballot.

    •  Goodwin is the one (2+ / 0-)
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      blue aardvark, betelgeux

      He is already a former Senator.  He is young, very sharp, attractive, from a prominent WV family and has the Joe Manchin / Jay Rockefeller seal of approval.

      They saw his potential when he was given the Senate appointment after the passing of Sen. Byrd in 2010.

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