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  •  Serious problem with your thesis. (15+ / 0-)

    One huge problem over the last 3 decades is that, as Democrats have moved politically to the center--and even the right--to try to capture ground held by Republicans, Republicans responded by moving even further to the right.  To the point that now they're complete radicals, almost unrecognizable as old-style Republicans.

    The same is happening in the gun debate - as Democrats have moved towards the center, towards being pro-gun ownership (as you suggest they should), they have only pushed Republicans into taking more and more bizarre stances (people should have the right to carry concealed anywhere, teachers in classrooms ought to be carrying weapons, etc.)

    Far from mollifying the far semi-Nazi reichwing by being pro-gun, you're only provoking them to be more pro-gun, more anti-gun regulation, more prone to believe black helocipters are coming to take their guns away, more prone to believe gun ownership is the most improtant "right" evah, and more dangerous than ever.

    Your approach doesn't work.  It only breeds people like that revolutionary-wanna-be CEO and makes them more dangerous in the process.

    The road to Hell is paved with pragmatism.

    by TheOrchid on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:13:01 AM PST

    •  I don't see RKBA as a left/right stance. (12+ / 0-)

      Sure you'll have a majority of people on the right who support RKBA (the right, not the group) but here are states like VT which is solid blue with some of the best gun control laws in the country.

      Stupak was progressive (except for his idiocy on abortion) and he won this congressional district for over a decade because of being pro-RKBA.

      Now we have that asshole Benishek.

      No thanks.

      Republicans cause more damage than guns ever will. Share Our Wealth

      by KVoimakas on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:19:56 AM PST

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      •  I thought a main focus of RKBA (the group)... (4+ / 0-)

        ...was to help elect more Democrats by being more pro-RKBA (the "right"), or at least to stanch defections from the Democratic Party by appearing to be more pro-gun.  So RKBA, both the group and the "right", as RKBA the group approaches it IS a left/right stance.

        In any event, Mr. Revolutionary-wanna-be CEO is from Tennessee, which is far more deeply red than Vermont.  I strongly suggest that the strong pro-gun philosophy of Tennesseeans encourages Mr. CEO and makes him more dangerous.  Stronger voices for gun control from the left might actually pull him back to reality, not send him over the edge.

        The road to Hell is paved with pragmatism.

        by TheOrchid on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 09:42:41 AM PST

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        •  but if you can improve the gun violence situation (13+ / 0-)

          without inciting the full wrath of crazytown, doesn't it make more sense to?

          the guns affected by an AWB account for only 2% of u.s. gun deaths.  shouldn't we be seeking a more effective solution than addressing 2% of the problem?   pushing an AWB is elevating the superficial over the substantive.

          is there anything the NRA would fight as hard as an AWB?  i doubt it.  and an AWB is where things cross the line and gun rights advocates stop supporting the effort.

          fix the system we have and let BATF do its job.

          push liberal social policy (anti-poverty, education, etc.) we all love and want anyway.

          seriously...there are uphill battles, and then there's pickett's charge.

          Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

          by Cedwyn on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 10:00:57 AM PST

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          •  what the NRA will fight cannot determine what (1+ / 0-)
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            gun regulation legislation we pursue.

            Are you a member of NRA ?

            •  maybe it cannot (3+ / 0-)
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              rockhound, PavePusher, ancblu

              but that doesn't mean it makes sense to pursue something which would result in a battle royale when there are far more effective things to be pursued than a solution to only 2% of the problem.

              Are you a member of NRA ?
              i thought you were better than that.

              Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

              by Cedwyn on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 05:59:34 PM PST

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