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  •  Jerome (none)
    'typical British bad faith'

    You just can't help yourself can you?

    Its a pity because your wrting is, in all other respects, first class.

    'Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it'. - GBS

    by stevej on Sun May 29, 2005 at 07:45:42 AM PDT

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    •  sorry, couldn't help it... (none)
      ...but I apologised promptly afterwards.
      (Plus Welshman and me have a "history" together on this site, so we can avoid most misunderstnadings, I think...)

      in the long run, we're all dead (Keynes)

      by Jerome a Paris on Sun May 29, 2005 at 09:38:29 AM PDT

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      •  completely fair point n/t (none)
        I really do enjoy your writingf and am in 100% agreement with you on this topic.

        'Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it'. - GBS

        by stevej on Sun May 29, 2005 at 06:50:12 PM PDT

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    •  I suspect it's a European Thing (none)
      Like most Americans, I always kind of assumed that the "Europeans" were a group. When I fill out a survey, I check "Caucasian of European descent".  In America, we just think of them as one group with language differences. But they aren't, and the hostility between England and France goes waaaaaaaaaaaaaay back.  They have fought numerous wars, and spent a good part of their history killing each other. Hating each other is a cultural institution.  They may be civilized, mature, adults, who work together, play together, and haven't been at war against each other in over a century, but in old Europe, wounds are slow to heal.  But they are trying to get along and forget the past, which, I suspect, is a lot harder when the past is all around you - in churches, cemetaries, and many centuries old buildings.  

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