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  •  Basically what these people want (60+ / 0-)

    is the privatization of security. Forget 'society'. Forget a public space. In their world, the police and military have been rendered obsolete, it's everyone for themselves. Every home is a separate nation. If someone shoots you, they can always say it was for self-defense. So you better watch out!

    "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

    by randomfacts on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 12:14:22 PM PST

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    •  Exactly. (40+ / 0-)

      Joe Walsh gave a speech this week he began with the phrase CALL TO ARMS.

      He is such a nut that "attack the messenger" takes away the attention to his actual words.

      I suffered through and listened to his speech and highligted his more incendiary remarks here.

      His words sound very much like the words of the man in Rec diaries a the top of the list.

      To ignore these messages is a mistake, imo.

      Joe Walsh gives "CALL TO ARMS" Speech, Jan. 9, 2013 - Irresponsible?

      There are enough people with little to lose willing to follow this rhetoric, armed to the teeth.  I think the elites are funding this BS.  The Angry Mob has been a tool for centuries.

      I don't think we can ignore what is being said in meetings like the one above.

      It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

      by War on Error on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 12:21:11 PM PST

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    •  The privatization of everything, really (29+ / 0-)

      including retirement security, health insurance and care, police, the military, shipping, food safety, etc. Until they need public assistance, when it suddenly becomes ok, because they're not freeloaders like those other layabouts.

      Why are we even indulging such moronic viewpoints?

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 12:49:14 PM PST

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    •  That, and to boost the profits of (19+ / 0-)

      gun manufacturers. From the first linked article (all emphasis is mine):

      Despite the grassroots façade, there is much evidence to suggest that corporations that profit from unregulated gun use are propping up the NRA’s activities, much like how the tobacco lobby secretly funded “Smokers Rights’” fronts and libertarian anti-tax groups, or how polluters currently finance much of the climate change skepticism movement.

      In a “special thanks” to their donors, the National Rifle Association Foundation lists Bushmaster Firearms Inc., the company that makes the assault rifle reportedly found with the shooter responsible for the mass murder today in Newtown, Connecticut. How much Bushmaster Firearms Inc. (a firm now known as Windham) contributes is left unsaid.

      The Violence Policy Center has estimated that since 2005, gun manufacturers have contributed up to $38.9 million to the NRA. Those numbers, however, are based on publicly listed “sponsorship” levels on NRA fundraising pamphlets. The real figures could be much bigger. Like Crossroads GPS or Americans for Prosperity, or the Sierra Club for that matter, the NRA does not disclose any donor information even though it spends millions on federal elections.

      From the second linked article:
      Close ties between the NRA and gunmakers go back at least to 1999, when the NRA publicly declared its support for the firearms industry as it prepared to defend itself from a rash of liability lawsuits filed by cities and municipalities.

      “Your fight has become our fight,” then-NRA president Charlton Heston declared before a crowd of gun company executives at the annual SHOT Show, the industry's biggest trade show. “Your legal threat has become our constitutional threat," he said.

      Following the passage of the shield law that dismembered those lawsuits, the NRA launched a new fundraising drive targeting firearms companies the organization had just helped in a big way. That effort, dubbed "Ring of Freedom," paid off handsomely. Since 2005, the NRA drive has pulled in $14.7 million to $38.9 million from dozens of gun industry giants, including Beretta USA, Glock and Sturm, Ruger, according to a 2011 study by the Violence Policy Center, a group that favors gun control.

      The Violence Policy Center study cited an NRA promotional brochure about the corporate partnership drive, noting that LaPierre promised that “this program is geared towards your company’s corporate interests.”

      Even Joe Scarborough is outing the NRA and its corporate backers:
      "This is about gun manufacturers making millions and millions and millions of dollars," the Morning Joe host said Friday.

      “Can we just break through the BS?” Morning Joe host Joe Scarborough said on Friday’s Morning Joe. “This is not—for the NRA—about Second Amendment rights.”

      Scarborough slammed the NRA for fear-mongering for profits in the wake of the Newtown shooting, which has many calling for gun control.

      Of course, they're not going it alone. ALEC to the "rescue":
      But, as the Center for Media and Democracy’s “ALEC Exposed” project has revealed, the group has a long history of seeking to undermine meaningful public discourse with regard to violence. ALEC does not merely oppose gun control, it seeks to prevent communities, states and the nation from even discussing gun control.

      The group has, for instance, promoted:

      • A “Resolution on Semi-Automatic Firearms” that expresses opposition to proposals by local, state and federal governments to restrict the sale of semi-automatic weapons, known as assault weapons.
      • A “Defense of Free Market and Public Safety Resolution” that discourages efforts by law enforcement agencies to use their purchasing power to buy police and policing weapons only from gun manufacturers that improve gun safety to protect children. The same resolution discourages efforts to identify and limit public contracting with gun dealers that are not notorious for selling weapons used in crimes.
      • A unanimous 2011 endorsement by ALEC’s “Public Safety and Elections Task Force” of a proposal to expressly bar cities from banning machine guns.

      Again and again in recent years, ALEC has worked not just to promote the economic agenda of weapons manufacturers and weapons dealers—including major retailers that sell guns and ammunition—but to undermine political debates about that agenda.
      To those who've been asking, "There are normal, responsible NRA members. Why aren't they speaking up about reasonable measures to prevent such tragedies?" there's your answer: unless you're donating tens of millions of dollars, the NRA isn't really that into you.

      I'm a Democrat - I believe that government has a positive role to play in the lives of ordinary people.

      by 1BQ on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 01:59:40 PM PST

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      •  Great info. GOP All the way. And...Dan Quayle (3+ / 0-)
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        Who is Buying Up American Firearms?  Dan Quayle, Cerberus

        And they bought their own army, too.

        DynCorp and Blackwater Now Owned by Private Equity Firms, Financed by TBTFs

        The Sandy Hook weapon was one of Quayle's companies.  Freedom is the name of the company.  Get it?  Freedom, guns, GOP

        It's difficult to be happy knowing so many suffer. We must unite.

        by War on Error on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 05:43:03 PM PST

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        •  Cerberus is trying to sell Bushmaster (3+ / 0-)
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          The pressure on Cerberus to sell the firearms maker comes as it seeks up to $3.5 billion from investors for its latest buyout fund.

          Late on Monday, California Treasurer Bill Lockyer asked CalPERS and CalSTRS, the state's public pension funds and the largest in the United States, to account for their investments in gun manufacturers, and proposed that they sell their interest in any company that makes guns that are illegal under California's assault weapons ban.

          California's ban includes the Bushmaster rifle.

          "The Treasurer's view is that neither fund should be invested in any company that makes guns that are illegal in this state, especially ones that were used to kill 20 innocent children and six innocent adults," Tom Dresslar, a spokesman for Lockyer said.

          CalSTRS, the California State Teachers' Retirement System, said on Monday it was reviewing its investment with Cerberus in the wake of Friday's shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown. (source)

          More:
          The teachers' retirement system has put $625 million into three funds controlled by Cerberus as of March 31.

          "Events that occurred in Connecticut are a wake-up call to re-examine our investments," CalSTRS spokesman Ricardo Duran said Monday.

          Duran said today he believes CalSTRS' statement "probably had an impact" on today's decision.

          CalSTRS added that, through Cerberus, it owns 2.4 percent of Freedom Group, not 6.67 percent as was widely reported Monday.

          State Treasurer Bill Lockyer, who sits on the boards of CalSTRS and CalPERS, called on both pension funds to rid their portfolios of investments in manufacturers of weapons that are illegal in California. Duran said CalSTRS is "checking our entire portfolio right now" to find similar investments.

          We have a lot of problems here in the Golden State but things like this remind me why I stay.

          I'm a Democrat - I believe that government has a positive role to play in the lives of ordinary people.

          by 1BQ on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:10:22 PM PST

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    •  Anti-social security (nt) (1+ / 0-)
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