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  •  Are you kidding? (0+ / 0-)

    You're no better than those morons in Congress.  "I've got this issue, and its more important anything else!"

    Economic collapse around the world would foment a rolling wave of conflict and destruction around the world, as governments fell and radical leaders rose from the ashes.  Just look at WWII!

    Folks like you fail to take a more systematic look at things, to look at the full balance of policy, instead of doing the standard college-age midnight bullshit session method of deciding what policy should be.

    Simple question: In the years since Republicans successfully urged the disempowering of workers and unions in the Midwest, what has happened to those states economies?

    by Stephen Daugherty on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 12:41:40 PM PST

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    •  You realize the entire rule of law rests (4+ / 0-)

      on the premise that we cannot simply be murdered by our Government without ever knowing the charges against us, without ever being given the opportunity to refute them in open court?

      Without that, it's over.  I don't give a shit how much money you have you're living under a police state at that point.

      You may be cheaply bought.  You may gladly bow your head for bread.

      But it is not the smart thing to do to, it's the easy thing.

      We do not all grow more cowardly as we age, and those who do should not be proud of having done so.

      Machine gun bullets became the bloody baptizers/ And the falcon 'copters don't care if someone's the wiser/ But the boy in the swamp didn't know he was killed by advisers

      by JesseCW on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 12:45:30 PM PST

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      •  Really, what kind of bullshit is this? (0+ / 0-)

        I don't think people will be much concerned about tightening up and improving policy on drone strikes if the fucking economy is coming down in bright red flames around their ears.  You take care of business, or shit happens.  Ideology doesn't stand a chance when it conflicts with realities.  Democrats realize this, Republicans don't.

        It's time for you to get some perspective.

        Simple question: In the years since Republicans successfully urged the disempowering of workers and unions in the Midwest, what has happened to those states economies?

        by Stephen Daugherty on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 12:59:28 PM PST

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        •  Adults understand that their rights aren't (3+ / 0-)
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          something they can retain if they cease all effort to protect them just because they (shock and horror) might otherwise find out what life has been like for the poor all along.

          It's not about "tightening up" or "improving".

          It's about ending a horrific abuse of Executive power that is completely destroying the concept that the accused have the right to answer accusations against them before being killed.

          Otherwise, it doesn't matter what the fuck "the economy" does.   Larger and larger numbers of us aren't benefiting a bit when GDP goes up.  We're cut out of that.

          If we can't challenge that theft of our labor without fear of being simply eliminated (along with our neighbors and families) at the whim of some crazed tyrant?

          We can expect to have a choice between subjugation and near-starvation and death.

          It is this, the protection of the courts, that all of our other rights flow from.  Without those rights being protected, we cannot protect our physical well being either.

          Machine gun bullets became the bloody baptizers/ And the falcon 'copters don't care if someone's the wiser/ But the boy in the swamp didn't know he was killed by advisers

          by JesseCW on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 01:15:59 PM PST

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          •  It's not an either or choice, you dogmatist. (0+ / 0-)

            We should give a fuck about both.  Both are important.  And regardless of whatever drone strikes the President does, the coin is still a bad idea.

            Simple question: In the years since Republicans successfully urged the disempowering of workers and unions in the Midwest, what has happened to those states economies?

            by Stephen Daugherty on Thu Jan 17, 2013 at 08:41:23 AM PST

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      •  Jesse -- you know, I'm in league with you on (1+ / 0-)
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        the fake economic crisis.

        With that, I hope this helps:

        A secondary point is that the debate over the efficacy of
        giving $ to the MIC vs civil has taken a back seat with within the current dialog -- where discussion of full employment has darn near vaporized.

        The well-known fact that $civil yields more jobs than $MIC  yields an argument for reigning in MIC-over-extension that is, perhaps, a bit less ideological and, therefore, an easier sell. It's not directly connected with due process but, at least, would help bring more into focus an examination of our priorities and sense-of-self-as-a-people.

        United We Understand

        by dorkenergy on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 01:28:20 PM PST

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        •  There's nothing wrong with making the (1+ / 0-)
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          financial argument as well as the ethical, moral, civil, and legal arguments.

          Machine gun bullets became the bloody baptizers/ And the falcon 'copters don't care if someone's the wiser/ But the boy in the swamp didn't know he was killed by advisers

          by JesseCW on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 01:37:56 PM PST

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