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  •  In other words if you don't go to the park you (1+ / 0-)
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    aren't in the movement.  Stay at homes = stay at homes.  No matter what they feel.

    Sign my White House Petition Enforce the KEEP in the Second Amendment We don't have a problem with gun control, we have a problem with gun owners controlling their guns.

    by 88kathy on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 08:43:08 AM PST

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    •  maybe if OWS had established better bonds (1+ / 0-)
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      with the "stay at homes" it might have survived the militarized police onslaught better. That's not to say that OWS deserved to get the crap beaten out of it. I think people here know where I stand on that.  But I constantly urged Occupy DC, through Occupy Faith, which I was part of, to form ties and connections with the people who weren't sleeping on the concrete.  A lot of people didn't want that; they wanted the suburbanites to come sleep on concrete or else just funnel money toward those who did.  It was sort of put into the frame of not having enough real street cred/skin in the game/not making enough sacrifices to be "real." But the fact was, and is, that a lot of people aren't going to want to be out in the streets, or sleep on concrete, or endanger their physical well-being, until and unless everything collapses.  The intelligent thing to do, logistically and strategically, was to connect with the mainstream, and the best way to do that was through faith organizations: churches, temples, mosques, etc.  Not intending to piss off the atheists here, but you guys don't build infrastructure. I'm a pagan, so I understand; we don't do it either, for the most part.

      We needed conversations to happen between the Occupiers and ordinary middle- and working-class people who weren't Occupying. We needed relationships to develop. We're getting some of that with Occupy Homes, which is why Occupy Homes still survives. Occupy Sandy also may bear some fruit that way.

      if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 01:30:35 PM PST

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