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  •  I think if you examine his campaign (16+ / 0-)

    statements you will find that they were carefully tailored to let people hear what they wanted to hear without committing him to specific policies. I am all for advocating for more progressive policies and appointments, but I'm pretty sure that it is not going to happen.

    •  Obama has always been purposefully (10+ / 0-)

      misleading...that is why he was given the Nobel Peace Prize, which, if you think about it, was one of the most myopic decisions the committee has ever made.  In their defense, I have to say that almost everyone bought into his rhetoric...

      •  I didn't. He hadn't done anything yet. (2+ / 0-)
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        you shouldn't get the Nobel Peace Prize for winning an election.

        if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 12:59:38 PM PST

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      •  Myopic isn't even the word for it (1+ / 0-)
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        Ludicrous is more like it. Laughable. Absurd.

        We decided to move the center farther to the right by starting the whole debate from a far-right position to begin with. - Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay

        by denise b on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 05:17:40 PM PST

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      •  and in an acceptance speech spoke up FOR wars (0+ / 0-)

        and NO other acceptance speech, including war criminal Henry Kissinger, had ever done that before.

        without the ants the rainforest dies

        by aliasalias on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 07:24:11 PM PST

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        •  He had no choice but to make that speech. (0+ / 0-)

          He was just starting his term in office, and had campaigned on a promise to do better in Afghanistan than Bush had, and to capture or kill UBL.

          Obama knew that we were headed into a bloody fight in Afghanistan.  He also knew that a pacifist speech would be used by domestic political enemies back here in the States to validate the bullshit "Dems are soft on defense" meme that's been used against our party too frequently.

          So I don't fault Obama for making that speech.  It was smart domestic politics (and honest too, would have been kind of bogus for him to make a 'no war' speech while at the same time we were getting ready for the Afghan surge and ramping up efforts to hunt down UBL).  Fault the Nobel Committee for nominating him.

          Dont Mourn, Organize !#konisurrender

          by cks175 on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 07:40:12 PM PST

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          •  balls! have you read it? it is NOT the place for (0+ / 0-)

            war mongering, and btw Vietnam was a bloody ordeal but we didn't get Kissinger singing the praises of wars and I do mean plural wars which is what he spoke FOR.
            So he was afraid to even just give lip service to peace when getting the Nobel PEACE Prize? Gawd some people can find an excuse anywhere.

            without the ants the rainforest dies

            by aliasalias on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 08:21:35 PM PST

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    •  Yes, he would thread the needle (4+ / 0-)

      in his language choice. Most of the Democratic "progressive" leadership does the same. They never say never to right wing arguments.

    •  Obama is *great* at that (1+ / 0-)
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      He actually fooled me with it in 2008, and I'm a pretty good listener with a critical ear.

      if necessary for years; if necessary, alone

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 12:59:00 PM PST

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    •  No prog will ever run DoD. Period. (0+ / 0-)

      DoD is an anti-prog outfit at heart.

      That said, Hagel is about as good as it's possible to get and still win confirmation in the Senate.  He's the Anti-Rumsfeld in that, as a former enlisted man who actually saw real live combat in Vietnam (and has the wounds and Purple Heart to prove it), he cares more about the troops than the shiny new toys provided by the war profiteers -- erm, I meant "defense contractors".

      Would I want him for president? Hell no.  Do I think he could take on the military-industrial complex and win?  Hell yes.

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      by Phoenix Woman on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 03:03:34 PM PST

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