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  •  I just heard yesterday that it is US policy is to (12+ / 0-)

    assume that all unidentified adult males killed by US drone strike as automatically classified as "un-uniformed combatants" without any further need to investigation."

    We've crossed a line of behavior here that is Orwellian, Bush-like, and shameful.

    If it were not a Democratic President leading these efforts we'd be outraged and demanding Congressional and International investigations.

    We are making a mockery of our previous traditions of respect for the "rule of law."

    The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by HoundDog on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 04:53:06 PM PST

    •  Had read that as well, HoundDog. (9+ / 0-)

      Its really hard for me to stomach.  How can I enjoy my retirement when people are being killed on my nickel with no accountability.  Children.

      What really chaps my rear is the chicken sh*t strategy -- 'double tap'

      'Double-Tap' Strikes In Pakistan Create Chaos To Start 2013
      Business Insider-6 hours ago

      So far in 2013 Pakistan has been messier than usual, mostly due to brutal "double tap" tactics employed by both radical Sunni militants and busy CIA drones.

      The Associated Press reports that a series of bombings on Thursday killed 115 people across the country — including 81 who died in two explosions at a billiards hall — marking the deadliest day in years. The second blast at the pool hall, five minutes after the first, killed police officers, journalists and rescue workers who responded to the initial explosion.

      Greg Miller of The Washington Post reports that U.S. drone strike Thursday in North Waziristan was the seventh in 10 days, compared to there being fewer than one per week last year. On January 3 a U.S. drone targeted a vehicle then fired another hellfire missile "when people rushed to the vehicle to help those in the car," according to the AP.

      If this is true someone needs to be tried for war crimes.

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      by divineorder on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 04:59:53 PM PST

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      •  Imagine the precedent we are endorsing here. (7+ / 0-)

        We are following the Osama Bin Ladin Doctrine, which Bush seems to have modeled the Bush doctrine after.

        If a country, or those who aspire to have a country should unilaterally decide that other parties are a threat, or future potential threat to their national security, then it is okay to disregard national boundaries, and international law and blow them up with drones, or airplanes laden with explosives.

        This is stupid and makes a complete mockery of any subsequent claim we make with regard to international law.

        We are now endorsing a strategy of "might makes right."

        Any country that acquires WMD and drones can now invoke the Bush-Obama doctrine to kill anyone they feel is a threat, and what are we going to say?

        The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

        by HoundDog on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 05:07:09 PM PST

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      •  divine, have to ask - what is palak paneer? nt (2+ / 0-)
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        "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

        by allenjo on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 05:11:37 PM PST

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        •  :) (2+ / 0-)
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          I love spinach, and spicy food.  We got into cooking India food when we retired.  Lots of interesting smells and tastes, very diverse cuisine...

          Wiki
          Palak paneer (Hindi: पालक पनीर, Urdu: پالک پنیر‎) is an Indian and Pakistani dish consisting of spinach and paneer (Indian farmer's cheese) in a thick curry sauce based on pureed spinach. It is a popular vegetarian dish.[who?]

          Palak paneer is one type of saag, which can also be made with mustard leaves. Palak paneer may be somewhat more watery than saag paneer.

          Thanks for commenting here tonight, allenjo!

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          by divineorder on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 05:17:14 PM PST

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      •  It looks pretty clear (5+ / 0-)

        that double tap strikes are a matter of policy, not a mistake. It has happened too many times for it to be a mistake.

        There is no question that double tap strikes are war crimes.


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 07:24:24 PM PST

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    •  all too true, HoundDog (5+ / 0-)
      If it were not a Democratic President leading these efforts we'd be outraged and demanding Congressional and International investigations.

      We are making a mockery of our previous traditions of respect for the "rule of law."

      the rule of law is whatever this president says it is.

      "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

      by allenjo on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 05:03:37 PM PST

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      •  not just the drones in Pakistan (3+ / 0-)
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        But Yemen, Somalia and other Nations.
        Plus the kill list and the new rule of all males of a certain age are combatents.
        Indeed, if this were Bush or Romney, we would be protesting.
        Obama is commiting war crimes.
        Same as Bush did.
        Same as many other presidents did.
        When others attack our country, they are called terrorists.
        But when we do worse things to other countries, it is called self defense.
        I call it bullshit.
        Obama cried when 20 US children died.
        Does he cry for the thousands of children his country has killed?  
        This should be on the rec list, imo.

        America never needed so much in the last election and got so little.

        by snoopydawg on Fri Jan 11, 2013 at 08:04:22 PM PST

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