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    •  The bashing is nothing new -the attention to it is (27+ / 0-)

      This guy's actions used to seem normal; we don't tolerate it any more.

      Something that doesn't make good sense, makes bad sense. That means someone is being deliberately hurtful & selfish. Look for motives behind actions & words.

      by CA wildwoman on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 03:39:29 AM PST

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      •  Interesting point. (4+ / 0-)

        There is a lot made in this venue, and in progressive circles, generally, of the "Overton window," namely, the social consensus, with regard to political ideology. Generally, the concern hereabouts is that the "Overton window" has moved to the right in recent decades. The average person, for instance, didn't used to question women's right to legal abortion. Now, thanks to relentless propaganda about the "sanctity of life," in the past 3-4 decades, many people think abortion should be outlawed. This is just one example.

        As well as shifting to the right on some issues, what gets less play, is the Overton window's decisive shift to the LEFT on certain other issues. Marriage equality is a perfect example. By overwhelming majorities, not so long ago, people didn't like the idea of same-sex marriage. Now, thanks to the hard work of the lbgt movement, on average, people approve of making same-sex marriage legal. This is an example of the Overton window's movement in a progressive direction. Another example of that movement is what you just stated, or the public's toleration of nuts with guns.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:55:48 AM PST

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    •  You ostricize that behavior. (7+ / 0-)

      And we're starting to do that as a country. This asshole goes out of business for his behavior? Lesson learned. As a business owner, one can't throw politics and social issues out around in public anymore without facing some pretty serious consequences. As well it should be. Keep your mouth shut.

      "What would men be without women? Scarce, sir, mighty scarce." -Mark Twain

      by jared the bassplayer on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 11:43:46 AM PST

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    •  You deal with it the way the gay & straight folks (4+ / 0-)

      dealt with it while they were standing in line for pizza in a neighborhood in Columbus Ohio.

      Many people simply aren't putting up with this bigoted crap anymore.

    •  Re: This concerns me (1+ / 0-)
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      Ginny in CO

      Hola Horace - There are ways to deal with the problem, but no matter what the approach is, it will be really messy. I think karmsy has identified one of the big factors that will contribute to the mess. I think that there are two major forces that are coming together to create a perfect storm. Karmsy nailed the first one. I think the second one is that for the past 40 years or so, the Republican elites have been throwing red meat to the crazies and gotten them all riled up and then opened the gates. They've been off the leash long enough that they've gotten used to it and had a taste of being able to throw their weight around. Just as it was getting good to them, the wind is shifting and they're losing their juice.

      I fully believe that the best thing we can do is to do nothing to try to directly challenge them. All we need to do is to ignore them and keep doing what we're doing and keep moving in the direction that is best for all. If we don't let them suck us into their game, we win. They are in the minority. Eventually they'll either give up and go home (wouldn't put much money on that) or get themselves in such a dither that they'll ex/implode. Think of the NRA's first response to Sandy Hook. Some of the stuff LaPierre said made absolutely no sense at all.

      It'll likely get pretty messy, but if we can maintain our sense of humor while the stuff is hitting the fan, it'll be really interesting to watch.

      There is a branch of psychology that deals with learning and decision-making. Broadly, a couple of the questions are: How do we learn how to get the things we want and what happens when we find out the strategies we learned are no longer effective. There are techniques avaliable that allow researchers to ask those questions of many different species. In this case, the interesting part of the research is on what happens when the strategy the subject has used to get what they want doesn't work any more, and they can no longer get what they want. The outcome is unanimous, whether the subjects be adults, children, rats, pigeons, fish, monkeys, whatever. When Daddy takes the T-bird away, Buffy throws a temper tantrum. And the more valuable/important the thing (whatever it is) is that is taken away, the bigger the tantrum. If we can just hold on and take the T-bird away from the RWAs (by not letting them divert us from our path), at the point that they figure out that they've lost their mojo, we'll see a major temper tantrum.

      I am confident that it is inevitable, I just don't know when. Nor do I have any idea how much of a mess they'll make before it happens. But if we can keep our cool and keep the mess more or less cleaned up and don't allow ourselves to be sidetracked, sooner or later it will happen. And I have a cooler full of beer and a fully stocked bar ready for the occasion . . . :-)

      "The water won't clear up 'til we get the hogs out of the creek." -- Jim Hightower

      by lartwielder on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 01:29:01 PM PST

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