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  •  Interesting idea... (5+ / 0-)

    though I suspect that the folks who could benefit most are the last to avail themselves of any sort of facilitation.

    Slightly OT, and just a tiny nit to pick, but I'm losing a bit of patience with the "original" I/P (Israel/Palestine) being held up by almost everyone (Markos included) as the ultimate and irremediable venue for pie-fights. Indeed, I would say that the atmosphere in I/P has improved considerably over the last year or so. True, there remains the occasional flare-up, but those seem to be instances of 1) obvious troll-diarists and 2) obvious zombie-commenters going after specific individuals more often than a chronic breakdown in discourse. For the most part--and no doubt that the numerous bannings and NRings helped here--folks are moving beyond the petty and unproductive gamesmanship that characterized I/P in the past.

    Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

    by angry marmot on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:15:14 AM PST

    •  that's great to hear (5+ / 0-)

      Perhaps you can elaborate on how that was accomplished. I don't go into those diaries anymore, because of how pointlessly contentious and repetitious they were.  

      To keep our faces turned toward change, and behave as free spirits in the presence of fate--that is strength undefeatable. (Helen Keller)

      by kareylou on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 08:19:21 AM PST

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      •  Not a "fix" I would recommend for (4+ / 0-)

        any other discursive community. The biggest problem in I/P, say 18 months ago, was that it had narrowed into a largely predetermined banter among a handful of hotheads more than willing to take threads far to the right side of the page in order to score "points" (measured by HRs and uprates, deserved or abusive) against their opponents. Over a relatively short period of time, a combination of direct moderation (bojo and NR), a few flame-outs and a few instances of people just "walking away" got rid of many of the worst players (and no mistake, many were here simply for "the game"). Some good folks quit too, and that's a shame, but the net effect has been that for the most part (occasional trolls, zombies, jerks and bigots are a fact of life in almost any discursive community) people who made it through that period are working within the "be a good guest in someone else's house" rule-of-thumb and the worst of the oldschool hotheadedness, imputation of motive and personality-based jerkdom has been tempered.

        Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time. (Terry Pratchett)

        by angry marmot on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:41:46 AM PST

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    •  I've seen a real improvement in I-P too (5+ / 0-)

      And I've seen people from both sides be civil toward each other in many diaries. I still think we need to work to avoid anti-Semitic comments, which tend to be heard as dog whistles so one side sometimes hears these more clearly than the other, as well as not painting people with broad brushes about their intention. I think separating out the various Governmental players from the populace of Israel and Palestine has probably been helpful, at least it has for me.

      I like the I-P diaries greatly.

      I've been mocked by some in them for a "lack of serious commitment," although not using those words, but this was from a poster who had a long-standing gripe with me, and I acknowledged it as old and unrelated history, ignored it, and moved on. That helped, even though there were probably a dozen or two comments made in diary after diary.

      I think it's critical to realize that those who comment on I-P generally care for very deep reasons; maybe we could talk more about what lead us to care about this? That could help humanize people. If there's one thing I do truly, truly believe, it's that everyone on both sides absolutely wants a resolution which is fair and just. Sometimes that gets taken out on the populations of Palestine or Israel unfairly when anger out to be addressed toward their Governmental leaders making decisions about things, as well as other players involved. I did a ton of reading recently on the current conflicts, and I was very fascinated by those Leftist Jews who really wanted to see basic civil equality for all and who were working with like-minded Palestinians. I'd love to read a diary about Israeli-Palestinian quests for a peaceful solution to highlight not only the spectacle of conflict but also the underappreciated quest for resolution to that conflict.

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      by mahakali overdrive on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:13:21 AM PST

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