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  •  i don't buy it, not in 2012 in CA (4+ / 0-)
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    brown is too cautious for the current electorate, which is less white and far less anti-tax and anti-public services than the political eras that shaped his own keen sense of strategy.

    times have changed, in CA more than the rest of the country. we picked up seats in 2010, after all, while the tea party was winning everywhere else.

    •  Where are you coming up with this? (0+ / 0-)

      Where is the evidence that people want to repeal Prop 13? Where is the evidence people want to lower the majority threshold to 50%+1? There has never been a poll showing either and Californians have rejected attempts to repeal the 2/3 majority requirement before.

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      by Shane Hensinger on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 06:11:33 PM PST

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      •  my above comment was not responding to you (2+ / 0-)
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        it was responding to jerry brown's caution generally, and his fear of the electorate of the 70s, 80s and 90s. it's worth pointing out that the left's proposal for funding education, which had no austerity cuts and bigger tax hikes on the rich,. polled better than brown's austerity + sales tax + smaller tax hike on the rich proposal. he's misreading the electorate of the present, even moreso that of the immediate future, IMO. things are moving faster than people realize, esp. in the supposedly conservative central valley and inland empire, which elected a bunch of democrats this past election.

        my opinions on prop 13 and a simple majority for taxes are my own, i was not claiming that was majority opinion yet (although i believe it will move in that direction). people said the majority budget was leftist fantasy until it passed in 2010, if dems want a governable state majority rule needs to be a long term strategic goal to lay the foundations for right now.

        the fact that an older, whiter, more conservative electorate rejected those changes in the past does not mean that californians will never ever want to change them later on. the state is changing faster than people realize, and the swing is not because of white middle-aged homeowner independents changing their minds every election cycle, it is because of huge generational shifts and demographic shifts that are replacing economically conservative voters with economically liberal ones.

    •  coups tend to be undemocratic, (0+ / 0-)

      pretty much by definition. So it matters not what a majority of the electorate wants, but only what the 1% want.

      They are resourceful and creative. The next coup need not be by recall; they are perfectly capable of devising some other means.

      True, the GOP holds no statewide offices nor a legislative majority, they don't have a lot to work with. But they do have unlimited funding, often from out-of-state sources as we've seen.

      Brown could try to raise taxes and propose new spending, and then we would see once and for all who really runs the state. I think we'll find out it's not the people of California, though.

      I agree that sitting on their hands is a recipe for disaster. The economy will get crappier, and the Democrats will lose the supermajority, and there will be another round of Republican hostage-taking in the legislature and more austerity that flushes the surplus down the drain.

      On the other hand, if they initiated a new round of spending on public services, we would see a quick, vicious, and well-funded corporate counterattack materialize very quickly.

      I am by no means convinced that the divide-and-conquer approach wouldn't work on this electorate. Just look at the narrow defeat of Prop 37. It cost Monsanto $50 million, but they got it done.

      That's the problem with being in power at the wrong time. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 02:11:09 AM PST

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    •  But Brown's always been this sort of character (0+ / 0-)

      He was the cautious spender back when he first was governor. Remember how he sold the governor's mansion and lived in a bachelor pad instead?

      My hope is he focuses reducing our state debt and building up a rainy day fund(so we won't have future cuts to social services) first.

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      by lordpet8 on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 01:49:27 PM PST

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