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  •  Okay, I get it (1+ / 0-)
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    white blitz

    Religion is silly.  However, these religious leaders have a lot of sway over those who are religious, especially in the red states who cling to their guns and religion.

    What if those religious leaders would come out and thump the bible on jesus's beliefs of non violence?

    Wouldn't that be a real turn around?  

    •  You are missing my point. (2+ / 0-)
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      KathleenM1, Blood

      You can't use the example of "Jesus" in this case because 1- he is a fictional character in a series of tales based on pagan gods and Old Testament writings.
      2- The character of Jesus endorsed the concept of eternal torture for "sin" or for simply not accepting his view or his god.  That is NOT being "non-violent".

      •  One point you too are missing (0+ / 0-)

        or refusing to include is, that fictional or not, religion (The Bane of Mankind) has played and still plays a huge role in our society, all aspects included and as such, it has to be dealt with in our conversations to hopefully inform and educate others.

        •  But they really don't have to be dealt (0+ / 0-)

          with if we all say that we are sick and tired of religion having a significant role in our democracy and we are going to consciously disinvite these views to the table or at the very least, level the playing field by treating religious opinions as having no more weight or respect than any other type of opinion.

          If you say we should contol guns because some imaginary deity says so, people should demand evidence of this deity or dismiss the opinion as having no base in reality and unprovable.

          The more we feel that we can and should do this, the less influence religion will have on the world and the more free our thinking and reasoning will be as a species in dealing with solutions to our problems.

      •  Yup. (2+ / 0-)
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        Fishtroller01, Blood

        Amazed at people who hold Jesus up as some sort of paragon of compassion and justice when his sayings are filled with nasty condemnations for those who didn't believe his I'm-the-son-of-god delusions.  

        Do they even read their own holy books?  

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