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  •  Clearly psychosomatic, brought on by hysteria (8+ / 0-)
    Percentage of children living in Japan’s Fukushima Prefecture who have thyroid abnormalities: 40
    You can't prove this is connected to the radiation from the lost-core incidents at Fukushima.

    You'll never prove any bad effects from radiation, unless you can follow every particle, see which get inhaled, ingested, or absorbed, and then follow that particle as it lodges in a body and watch it damage cells and then watch those cells affect organs and stuff.

    QED: all negative health reports from Fukushima are based on the mental weakness of the "sufferers."


    Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

    by Jim P on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 09:11:56 PM PST

    •  Gee, I hope this is snark... n/t (7+ / 0-)

      Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

      by JeffW on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 09:13:40 PM PST

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      •  It is. n/t (6+ / 0-)

        Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

        by Meteor Blades on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 09:29:26 PM PST

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      •  40%? When in Nagasaki a few years ago (3+ / 0-)
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        the child rate of thyroid disturbance was 0.3% or so? Clearly hysteria.

        As are all the other reports of illness in Japan. Sure, an astonishing coincidence you might say. What with widespread reports of rashes, hair falling out in clumps, diarrhea and the like being also the same signs as radiation poisoning.

        Just goes to show how powerful auto-suggestion is. Doubtless, they are all hungry for attention.


        Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

        by Jim P on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 09:30:38 PM PST

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        •  does the rate of affection of a population (1+ / 0-)
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          fall along a bell curve and if so how long is this curve from its peak to where it returns to normal?  Just saying that Nagasaki's exposure was three or more generations ago, depending on how you want to count generations.

          Also, in Nagasaki, you had a large number of victims who died from the blast itself and did not live long enough to die from the radiation or am I missing something?  

          •  "Children in Nagasaki a few years ago" (1+ / 0-)
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            Thought that was clear from context. 80x higher rate of near-contemporaries in Fukushima was the point.


            Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

            by Jim P on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 09:57:41 PM PST

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            •  despite the point you meant, my question remains (1+ / 0-)
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              that with time, you would expect a decrease in mutations, for example, particularly in the case of decades.  Isn't this correct?
              I seem to remember an old 60's Life cover story on the children of Hiroshima and the incidence of birth defects among the children in the decade following the war

              •  I suppose so. (0+ / 0-)

                but remember that Fukushima keeps emitting. And so do all the other plants.

                Recently, in Chernobyl, they found to their surprise MORE cesium 137 (I think) than they found two decades ago. I suspect that whatever sinks into water or earth gets taken up sooner or later in the

                I can't find like at the moment, but a study of Nagasaki and Hiroshima survivors was released last year. Covered from the bombings through, iirc, 2003, and surveyed all the survivors for their lifetimes. 200,000 or so. They had all sorts of health problems as a cohort. Certainly the most definitive study we have.

                I've seen pro-nukers ignore that one and talk about an experiment which covered 100 mice for their 9-month lifetime and found no risk from low-level radiation. Somehow, that's to be thought of as definitive.


                Markos! Not only are the Gates Not Crashed, they've fallen on us. Actual Representatives are what we urgently need, because we have almost none.

                by Jim P on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 08:53:39 AM PST

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    •  Sounds like the NRA and bullets. nt (3+ / 0-)
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      Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

      by franklyn on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 09:22:47 PM PST

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