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  •  WTF? (0+ / 0-)

    You think suicide was the right decision?

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    by john07801 on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 05:45:04 PM PST

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    •  no. not at all. I'm trying to understand which (5+ / 0-)

      decision you are saying was wrong. Since you aren't being explicit it kind of sounds like you might mean, his decision to release the public domain documents from behind the JSTORS paywall. But, maybe you were referring to the suicide.

      •  His decision to end his life was wrong (1+ / 0-)
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        But that's only my opinion of his action (note the "IMHO" above).  

        But he also chose to live his life on the edge.  And the government, especially when you embarrass them, takes serious notice.

        I don't doubt this wasn't the outcome they envisioned.  I have to give them that much.

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        by john07801 on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 02:56:35 AM PST

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    •  WTF? You think suicide can be labeled (2+ / 0-)
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      a right OR wrong decision?  It is a failure of our health care system, not the individuals who suffer in a battle they don't have enough resources to fight.

      Who are you to decide that Swartz would have survived for years in an environment that has been found toxic to the human psyche in hours?  My response to your first comment on this

       Let me ask now if you can cite any research that supports how well inmates do after being jailed and released.  

      I also understand depression very well, also.
      Really? I don't get that from your comments at all. Suicide is a potential part of depression. Neither of which are very well understood by many.
      My experience/understanding of depression and suicide. (Comment above.)

      I totally do not understand your comments on the jail issue getting lost in the IP rights. It is a factor, and especially needs to be addressed in regards to the US Atty responsible - especially since she seems to be considering moving to MA politics.

      How about we have you put in jail for it. Just a couple of hours. Hey, there were people who insisted water boarding is not torture and agreed to the experience. What was the longest time endured, 10 seconds?

      You might do just fine. Wouldn't have anything to do with Swartz's actions or motivations for them. Or his morality. Suicide occurs when mental control is not working. Not even diminished capacity. Totally. Dysfunctional.

      "People, even more than things, have to be restored, renewed, revived, reclaimed and redeemed; never throw out anyone. " Audrey Hepburn "A Beautiful Woman"

      by Ginny in CO on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 12:26:42 AM PST

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      •  Suicide is not always the result of ... (0+ / 0-)

        mental illness or other (potentially curable) situations.  For many people, life is torture.  And their decision to shorten it is just as legitimate as anyone else's belief to the contrary with regard to their own lives.

        Those who think they have some moral high ground and are perfectly willing to sentence others to decades of misery, without, of course, being willing to suffer that misery themselves, are simply wrong.

        "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

        by Neuroptimalian on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 03:50:22 PM PST

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    •  How can you say it wasn't the right decision? (0+ / 0-)

      Remember, he was going to spend the rest of his life in prison (probably being anally raped at least once a month if not more often) and in such a case suicide might actually be rational.  I don't see how it is any different than a terminally ill patient choosing to end his/her own life rather than be screaming in agony for 20 hours a day straight.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 03:26:04 AM PST

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      •  No, the trial hadn't even started, so he certainly (0+ / 0-)

        wasn't found guilty and even if he was and sentence to actual prison, it would have been some place for non-violent offenders like a minimum security prison camp.  Suicide is not a rational response. It is a horribly tragic one.

        •  Where you go depends mainly on how long (0+ / 0-)

          your sentence is and since he would be spending 35 years (of which 85% is about 30) there it would have been maximum security.  Given he was 26, that would mean he would get out when he was 56 assuming he got out after serving the minimum 85% of the sentence.  What I don't get is why he didn't try to run (or even attack, though running would be the better option) given that he would have had nothing to lose as he wouldn't even be able to count on social security due to being in prison for 30 years.

          You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

          by Throw The Bums Out on Mon Jan 14, 2013 at 04:17:14 AM PST

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