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  •  yeah (1+ / 0-)
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    and given that he got deficit fever when we actually needed a second stimulus, and appointed a deficit commission headed by simpson and bowles, of all people, i guess we can study what his economic agenda really might be.

    as i wrote during the election campaign, i thought he had changed, in the aftermath of the occupy movement. his rhetoric certainly did. and i will continue to exporiate and mock the republicans, but if obama ends up cutting another lousy deal with them, i won't blame them. none of this had to be.

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 09:53:34 PM PST

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    •  Yeah, (0+ / 0-)

      Folks like you always assume that the Republicans would have cried "uncle" long ago if Obama had only done things your way. What's funny to me is that you are also the ones who want to call him naive for underestimating their intransigence.

      The truth is, the president has always been on to this game the republicans are playing. He even talked about it right here on dkos back in Sept. 2005.

      A polarized electorate that is turned off of politics, and easily dismisses both parties because of the nasty, dishonest tone of the debate, works perfectly well for those who seek to chip away at the very idea of government because, in the end, a cynical electorate is a selfish electorate.
      That isn't 11th dimensional chess. Its just understanding political dynamics.

      Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by NLinStPaul on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:09:48 PM PST

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      •  yeah (0+ / 0-)

        the false equivalency. in his own words. wolf blitzer or david broder couldn't have said it better. thanks for proving my point.

        gosh, the republicans are scary.

        The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

        by Laurence Lewis on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:11:45 PM PST

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        •  It must be late (0+ / 0-)

          because now you're not making any sense.

          Compare what Obama said in 2005 to how former Republican staffer Mike Lofgren described the Republican strategy in the comment I posted up above. Obama nailed it. And yes, the media feeds it as a false equivalence. THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE PROBLEM!

          But Obama's reasonableness is finally beginning to break through and the Republican party is clearly in its death throes. The last thing we need to do right now is throw them a lifeline by doing something crazy simply because they are being crazy.

          Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. - Mahatma Gandhi

          by NLinStPaul on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:20:43 PM PST

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          •  yeah (0+ / 0-)

            the media feed it and obama agrees with it. nice. and his reasonableness sure is getting great results. his first negotiation since winning a mandate reelection, with the polls solidly behind him, both personally and on the issue, and he trades one of his main campaign themes for but a 60 day delay on playing the game again. that'll show 'em!

            The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

            by Laurence Lewis on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:28:08 PM PST

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            •  My gawd... (0+ / 0-)

              Don't you EVER have an original thought? You're simply spouting dkos talking points now.

              His reasonableness is the major reason why his approval ratings are in the mid-50's and Congress's are on par with STD's while the Republicans struggle to find any relevance.

              Where would we be if he'd done what folks like you have been suggesting? Would the Republicans have cried "uncle" by now? Not a chance. But we'd be stuck in gridlock with everyone saying "a pox on both their houses."

              His main campaign theme was a promise that middle class people would not see their income taxes raised. He delivered. To get that he raised the upper limit to be on par with where Clinton rates would be when you factor in inflation. If you think thats a BFD - you're pretty clueless. And in return - he got a bit more than a 60 month delay in the sequestration - for which he'll be demanding additional revenue from the wealthy in exchange for replacing the cuts. He got UI extended as well as a 5 year extension on tax cuts for the middle class that actually double as stimulus.

              Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. - Mahatma Gandhi

              by NLinStPaul on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:42:36 PM PST

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              •  talking points? (0+ / 0-)

                lol- you need to look in a mirror more often.

                his reasonableness is why, despite being up against the most batshit crazy republicans ever, his approval rating isn't higher, and was barely above water throughout the election season. thank god for the republican "talent" pool!

                he said he would let all tax cuts expire above 250k. the gop cried class warfare. he won. and yeah, he got another year of ui in exchange for an indefinite tax cut for 250k-400k. nice trade. and next year, what will he give up for one more year? and continuing the tax cuts isn't stimulus, it's a small blow against austerity. but now we get to play the whole game again in a month and a half, and he doesn't have the tax cuts as leverage. we'll see how that goes. and the gop can threaten the debt ceiling again, and obama has taken one of his weapons off the table with that, too. we'll see how that goes. some good things are off the table, but brinksmanship and austerity aren't.

                The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

                by Laurence Lewis on Sat Jan 12, 2013 at 10:56:51 PM PST

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                •  I'll simply note that (0+ / 0-)

                  you never answered my question (that I asked twice now) about where you think we'd be if Obama had done what you would suggest. Would the Republicans have cried "uncle" by now because Obama was being so tough?

                  I see you alluded to an answer by suggesting that if he had been more unreasonable, you think his approval ratings would be higher. Now that's pretty funny. Because all that's left in the Republican ranks are the old white male racists. And you think he would have won them over by being unreasonable. Let me give you a clue...he's NEVER going to win them over - no matter what he does. He's scooped up all the real estate between himself and the nutjobs - while they continue on their path to oblivion.

                  But of course you assume that's because of the Republican "talent" pool he's faced. In other words...he's just been lucky in his opposition. It has nothing to do with the fact that he saw the obstruction coming and gave the Republicans the chance to either work with him or paint themselves into a more and more extremist corner in their opposition.

                  I'd be the last one to say that Obama is perfect. As a matter of fact, I think that if he had it to do over again, he probably wouldn't have gone for the "grand bargain" over the last debt ceiling challenge. This particular one needs to be nipped in the bud.

                  But what I find fascinating is that just when he learned from that and is taking the opposite position this time, folks like you are still at him because he isn't going to buy your magic coin idea to let the Republicans off the hook. What that tells me is that you're stuck in your negative narrative. Other than point it out, there's not much anyone can do about that.

                  Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is important that you do it. - Mahatma Gandhi

                  by NLinStPaul on Sun Jan 13, 2013 at 06:53:25 AM PST

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